Hi all,
Attached is the meeting log for 2007/1/30.
--
I cannot tell why this heart languishes in silence. It is for small needs it
never asks, or knows or remembers. -- Tagore
Best Regards
Steven Gong
<luke_r5> elloha
<luke_r5> am i early
<stevengong> hi Luke :)
<stevengong> yep, you are early, but seems it's the right time
<luke_r5> so just you and me ?
<luke_r5> oh no, we got some others
<luke_r5> so.. that meetup thing
<luke_r5> i proposed it to the guy and they seem up for the idea
<luke_r5> they just need to make sure they will be using red5
<luke_r5> and we need to sort out possible dates etc
<luke_r5> im meeting the guy tomo.
<stevengong> ok, cool
<luke_r5> right shall i come back in 1hour
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<magog> hi guys
<stevengong> hi joachim
<stevengong> really tired out these days
<stevengong> don't know if I can stay up for another 1h :)
<magog> i thought we meet at 14:00 utc
<magog> that should be now, right?
<stevengong> yep
<luke_r5> yup
<luke_r5> ok cool
<luke_r5> i thought i was an hour early
<luke_r5> now is cool
<magog> any word from the others?
<luke_r5> i just pinged john
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<luke_r5> elloha
<neoriley> hey everyone
<magog> hi john
<stevengong> hi John
<neoriley> yeah it's supposed to be hnow
<neoriley> no
<neoriley> now
<neoriley> lol hey J!
<neoriley> sorry, my wife was being ... a woman
<luke_r5> ah its only natural
<magog> :)
<neoriley> ugh
<neoriley> sometimes, POW, WAM ZOOM to the moon alice! TO THE MOON
<neoriley> ok, I'm done
<luke_r5> so.. do we need to ping anyone else or shall we just
start
<neoriley> I'll see if I can raise chris
<stevengong> he must be sleeping :)
<luke_r5> i think michael is burned out
<neoriley> lol yeah he's asleep
<neoriley> he's not answering ;)
<luke_r5> ok, he can read the logs
<neoriley> cool
<luke_r5> right so i got some news, which i think you all know
<luke_r5> but I will give a quick update
<luke_r5> this startup who contacted me.. i proposed they pay for
the meetup
<luke_r5> they seem willing, but want to make sure 1. they are
using red5, and 2. dates and things
<luke_r5> i should know more tomo, and I guess we will know for
sure a couple of weeks after that
<neoriley> SWEET
<stevengong> :)
<neoriley> we're talking about us flying out to Tai?
<luke_r5> yup
<neoriley> ha you're a freakin genius
<luke_r5> for a hackathon and beers
<neoriley> nice
<magog> hehe :)
<luke_r5> they want to build a system capable of 200 incomming
live streams
<luke_r5> and 400 outgoioing
<luke_r5> doh
<neoriley> &-)
<luke_r5> thats 1000s of streams
<luke_r5> so.. 200,000 400,000
<luke_r5> on amazon
<neoriley> shnikes
<luke_r5> yup..
<luke_r5> thats what i thought
<magog> that's a really lot of streams
<luke_r5> man your adobe bill would be huge
<luke_r5> so they need red5
<neoriley> wow, guess there's a market for this red5 thing
<stevengong> yep
<stevengong> FMS is paid by connection AFAIK
<luke_r5> im already working on vod on amazon
<neoriley> yeah it's concurrent user
<luke_r5> i think its doable if you break red5 up
<neoriley> unless you have the umlimited license per month
($4500/mo or so)
<luke_r5> into servers which handle a dedicated task
<neoriley> yeah makes sense
<luke_r5> like.. taking in a live feed
<neoriley> amazon.com?
<luke_r5> or vod
<luke_r5> then scale out
<luke_r5> yeah
<magog> or you would need to cluster red5
<luke_r5> amazon has something called ec2
<luke_r5> its lets you have servers on tap
<luke_r5> so you load in an image
<neoriley> are you thinking some sort of hardware round robin?
<luke_r5> and you say.. 10 of them please
<neoriley> ah right
<luke_r5> or 100
<luke_r5> all done via webservice
<luke_r5> they want to have a huge way to cluster shared objects
too
<luke_r5> which seems a little crazy to me
<luke_r5> but i will find out more
<stevengong> web service is slow...
<luke_r5> well
<luke_r5> the web service is for saying how many servers you want
booted
<luke_r5> or shutdown
<magog> you could use the rtmp client to connect from one red5 to
another to have a "global" SO
<luke_r5> so speed doesnt really matter
<luke_r5> yeah
<stevengong> yep
<luke_r5> or.. possibly use terracotta or coherence
<luke_r5> well they are going to hire people
<luke_r5> so i guess clustering is something those people will
work on
<luke_r5> any source code will be open source as usual
<luke_r5> so, i guess questions are.. are there other companies
interested in this
<luke_r5> using ec2, building cdns, etc
<luke_r5> i have gone on too much
<luke_r5> shall we get back on track :)
<neoriley> LOL man this is interesting though
<stevengong> yep, interesting :)
<magog> yes
<magog> but we should make streaming stable before thinking about
scaling
<magog> ;)
<luke_r5> exactly
<neoriley> hehe, yeah that sounds reasonable
<luke_r5> and we should cut it down imho
<luke_r5> i mean to do this sort of thing
<luke_r5> you dont need applications, etc, etc
<luke_r5> you want high performance little servers
<luke_r5> doing one thing each
<luke_r5> maybe with some central
<luke_r5> application type server handling the so's and stuff
<stevengong> agreed
<stevengong> extract the core part as standalone libs
<luke_r5> for streaming right
<luke_r5> we want to be able to just do.. simple live or simple
vod
<luke_r5> what do you think joachim?
<magog> hmm, but isn't that one use case of many?
<luke_r5> regarding streaming
<magog> i mean, there surely are people that only want to have vod
streaming with very little app code
<luke_r5> yup
<luke_r5> thats what i mean
<magog> but there are also those use cases that want to have streaming
as part of of a larger application
<luke_r5> most use cases are quite specific.. you need live.. or
you need vod... or you need so's
<luke_r5> thats true
<luke_r5> i just feel like we have a bit of a big problem surface
at the moment
<luke_r5> and we are getting lost in the code in places
<luke_r5> i know I am
<stevengong> well, in that case, we need more modularization
<magog> yes, that probably would help
<luke_r5> steven could you walk us throught streaming again
<stevengong> sure
<luke_r5> you up for that joachim?
<luke_r5> i think it would help having a refresh
<magog> yes, but not today ;)
<luke_r5> :)
<luke_r5> ok
<magog> sorry, i'm really busy atm
<luke_r5> np
<stevengong> I'd like to get RC2 released before discussing this :)
<magog> good idea :)
<luke_r5> :)
<magog> probably even a 0.6 final before changing the code layout that
much
<magog> i think we should focus on stabilizing the current codebase
until 0.6
<luke_r5> i dont t want to change anything just yet
<stevengong> yep
<magog> and after that move on with the new app structure and
modularization
<luke_r5> but i feel like i want to get my head into streaming
deeper so I've got a better change of fixing things
<magog> yeah, sure
<stevengong> of course, we can begin talking on this beforehand
<luke_r5> ok, so lets talk rc2
<magog> cool :)
<neoriley> Cool
<stevengong> Luke, 'd like to discuss it with you if free :)
<magog> well, as you all might have noticed, amf3 is ready in the trunk
<stevengong> yep, great job jo
<magog> and i didn't receive any bug report so far :)
<luke_r5> yup
<magog> which means, either it's all working, or nobody uses it...
<magog> :)
<luke_r5> :)
<luke_r5> i have not had a chance to use it yet
<magog> anyway, i tested with a mp3 player, a chat example and john's
video player
<luke_r5> what are we missing
<magog> and all worked fine
<neoriley> did you have a chance to try it with the new simple
samples?
<magog> i also wrote an echo .mxml to test the different object types
with amf0 and amf3
<neoriley> did you guys see the new samples?
<magog> nope, didn't have time to check them out yet
<magog> are they flash8?
<neoriley> ok, I'll test with Rc2
<neoriley> yeah
<neoriley> one FLA
<magog> ah okay, so no amf3
<neoriley> all code in the timeline
<neoriley> no
<neoriley> I redid the simple samples, but put the code in frame1,
commented thoroughly and also branded them all with the same look
<neoriley> REd5 logo and stage bg
<magog> sweet
<neoriley> lol, it took me 30-40 mins total to do all of them
<neoriley> I LOVE red5
<neoriley> ;)
<luke_r5> shall i get someone to make us a html index page for
the samples
<neoriley> I think that's appropriate yeah
<magog> hmm, something dynamic would be better
<neoriley> you mean, to render the page for the samples?
<magog> for all the .swf files in "demos"
<luke_r5> jsp
<magog> yes, because we would need to manually change a static page
whenever we have new samples
<luke_r5> hmm..
<stevengong> auto-gen from available samples?
<luke_r5> maybe we should all it a sample walk through
<magog> no big deal, i know, but tends to be forgotten before releasing
;)
<luke_r5> i was thinking a page listing the samples
<luke_r5> and explaining what they show
<neoriley> yeah that'd be nice
<magog> yep
<luke_r5> small thing, but will help people
<magog> maybe we could have that on the start page of red5
<magog> http://localhost:5080/
<luke_r5> i like the one we have there
<luke_r5> you did a nice job
<magog> thanks :)
<luke_r5> looks server prof
<luke_r5> i think we link to a page from there
<luke_r5> and have a link to the samples dir listing too
<luke_r5> so.. browse samples or intro type thing
<magog> yep, we link to osflash.org, the admin page and the /demos/
folder
<neoriley> nice
<neoriley> that sounds great
<stevengong> +1
<luke_r5> :) ok
<neoriley> +1
<luke_r5> can we include that flex interface
<luke_r5> the one from red5.nl
<magog> thijs surely will be ok with that
<stevengong> I think it's a good idea
<luke_r5> will show off the amf 3 stuff
<neoriley> yeah that would be a good thing to add
<neoriley> yep
<magog> yes
<magog> john, what about your flex player?
<neoriley> would love to be able to announce amf3 support and a
tool to test with
<neoriley> video player?
<magog> yes
<neoriley> yeah, if you want I can clean that up and brand it and
add it
<magog> we could add that, too
<magog> works fine with amf3
<neoriley> yeah that's actually one of the most hit downloads on
my blog
<neoriley> so sounds like it would be a good addition
<luke_r5> lets aim for this stuff for rc2
<neoriley> ok, I'll do that
<neoriley> yeah agreed
<luke_r5> so your new flash 8 sample replaces the others
<luke_r5> i mean things like simple chat etc
<neoriley> yeah, and that's somehting to talk about real quick
<neoriley> yeah
<neoriley> do we pull those others? Cause I'd really like to clean
all of that up
<neoriley> and start over ;)
<luke_r5> im thinking... flash 8 samples, flash 8 vod player,
flex interface, flex vod player?
<luke_r5> we call put the other samples into an archive or
something
<magog> they are in an archive ;) subversion
<luke_r5> :)
<luke_r5> i love svn
<neoriley> lol
<neoriley> so, is the Flash 8 vod the simple I did? or another one?
<luke_r5> i can be your one did
<neoriley> LOL
<neoriley> ummm what?
<luke_r5> lol
<luke_r5> doh..
<luke_r5> it could be that one
<neoriley> I'm not as ugly think as I you am
<luke_r5> typing all day
<neoriley> :)
<stevengong> hehe
<neoriley> ok, cool then that's one thing done already
<neoriley> I can clean up the other one, which should pretty well
be good to go, with the change of the amf encoding to 3
<neoriley> and some testin
<luke_r5> cool, i will sort the page which pulls it together
<magog> i will have to update the installer to detect java5 and java6
and set classpathes / jar files to use accordingly
<neoriley> ok, and maybe all of us this week can commit some time
just to test the base samples and antyhing else we have against RC2 before we
launch?
<stevengong> I will fix some bugs this weekend
<neoriley> cool
<neoriley> sounds like then, we need another week
<neoriley> instead of launching on 5th, maybe the next monday
<magog> i'll also try to look into the jira issues and see what i can
fix
<neoriley> since Steven's doing bugs on the weekend
<neoriley> or maybe 2
<neoriley> what do you guys think?
<neoriley> so, the 12th, or the 19th
<stevengong> 12th seems fine
<luke_r5> good idea
<magog> i'm away from 17 to 24
<neoriley> keeping in mind, we have the torturous holiday of
valentines day in there
<luke_r5> can we arrange another meeting to go over streaming
<neoriley> ok, sounds like 12th it is
<luke_r5> could be just steven and me if joachim cant make it
<magog> 12 is okay for me
<neoriley> luke? Steven?
<neoriley> Feb 12th good for RC2 launch?
<stevengong> we can have a talk on 12th about streaming
<luke_r5> ok
<stevengong> +1 for 12th
<luke_r5> if we can chat before that steven that would be good
<luke_r5> not a design review
<luke_r5> just a quick recap on things
<stevengong> ok
<stevengong> fine with me
<stevengong> maybe next Monday?
<luke_r5> ok
<luke_r5> i will ping you
<neoriley> luke, you good with RC2 release on 12th?
<stevengong> sure
<luke_r5> we can do it in irc so others can join if they want
<luke_r5> yup
<luke_r5> +1 12th
<neoriley> cool ! \m/
<luke_r5> john we can work together on presenting the samples
<magog> 12 sounds cool
<neoriley> that sounds fantabulous
<neoriley> ok, if we're good for now, I have to get back to work -
we good?
<luke_r5> i will give everyone an update soon about this meetup
idea
<stevengong> ok
<neoriley> awesome Luke
<stevengong> good luck :)
<luke_r5> can everyone send me rough available dates
<luke_r5> in the next couple of months
<neoriley> yeah I was just thinking the same about dates
<neoriley> ok
<magog> yep
<luke_r5> steven already gave me some
<stevengong> :)
<neoriley> Chris and I are speaking at FITC Toronto in april
<luke_r5> but i think it will have to be later
<stevengong> never mind
<neoriley> yeah maybe may, or june?
<luke_r5> since its hard to get everyone at same time
<stevengong> maybe sometime in May?
<luke_r5> april or may
<stevengong> I will have holiday on May 1-7
<luke_r5> cool
<luke_r5> ok, thats all from me
<magog> may should be fine for me, but i will have to check
<stevengong> all for today's meeting?
<neoriley> we;'re good for now
<stevengong> I have to have sleep :)
<magog> yes, all from me
<magog> good night ;)
<neoriley> can someone copy this to the list?
<stevengong> I will
<neoriley> thanks Steven!
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