Yeah, we did have conversations about such topics, but there was one such
time where we all met over ICQ to dicuss.  The total consensus was that none
of us wanted to be paid for development time or time invested directly on
Red5.  I basic feeling was, we do this because we're passionate about it and
we love doing it because "we want to".  The community responding to Red5
like they have motivates us in those dreaded long nights when we have to
work the next day, but it's well worth it.  I'm not one of the coders, but
from my stand point, I wouldn't want to be paid - that would ruin the cool
factor of being involved.

that being said, there are plans to create an entity to handle things like
training and support for Red5 and to provide some sort of official place to
partner with major companies putting their own time and resources into the
project.  Having an entity available to pay for marketing soft costs and
conferences/teaching/seminars etc is absolutely vital.

I know that several of us have spent quite a bit of money personally to show
up to the conferences and speak and I'm glad I get the chance to do
something like that!

We had also talked about wish lists for the core team as well as people
being able to donate travel, hotel or food for the teams that go out and
speak.  The people who aren't out speaking might benefit in other ways if
you guys would like to show your appreciation.  Something like wish lists
for items that they can't necessarily go out and buy very easily, but would
be a drop in the bucket compared to the value someone might gain by using
Red5.

Thats a concept I haven't really run by everyone on the team yet, so, if
it's something that people would *like* to do, I'll certainly bring it up
and arrange it.

John

On 4/27/07, Nathan P. Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Morning,

My view of this conversation, while well intentioned, feels misguided.

We have plenty of choices and opportunities to not only make money, but a
variety of things and places to spend it.  There isn't a shortage of that.

However, this project represents the efforts of people doing something
because they really WANT to do it - not because they HAVE to do it.  That
isn't something that we have the opportunity to appreciate, much less
enjoy participating in, very often.  It's unique, fresh, and visionary -
in the sense that it is NOT something that anyone is compelled to or
expected to contribute to if they're not comfortable or able to do so.

In short, when the time comes that the project needs certain resources to
continue, then I think they will be forthcoming - but let us not try to
create solutions for problems that don't exist yet, and hopefully won't.

I'm extremely grateful for this whole Red5 experince - it's been very
educational and enlightening for me personally - it's quite exciting
working with these things, being creative, and doing something novel with
lots of other like minded people.  A big THANK YOU to everyone!

=)

Nathan


On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Lenny Sorey wrote:

> Well,
>
> If no one else says anything, I will start it off.
>
> I am in for $50 and will volunteer to setup a separate server for
testing
> here
> for those folks who run Windows / Tomcat.
>
> I can keep the server updated with the latest from the Trunk for testing
if
> that will help.
>
> Also, if someone needs a place to test something where it needs testing
from
> many sources (users)
> I can also make arrangements for that as well.
>
>  Would be nice if those folks who runs other operating systems (i.e.
> different flavors
> of Linux) and of course you Mac folks, could do the same. We could then
> document
> what we do on the RED5 Wiki for others to benefit.
>
> I really like the idea of us all jumping in and helping one another.
This is
> why I have really
> enjoyed this project. If we all help one another, this truly make this
open
> source project unique
> and will draw the attention of other talent people who hopefully will
want
> to help and share as well.
>
> As I have said in previous posts, this is truly an unselfish group of
folks
> that want to help one another.
>
> I know that my team and I will testing like crazy. Don't mind helping
> others.
>
> In our other Projects, (we are mainly a Java house), we use Hibernate,
> Tapestry, Hivemind, Spring with our developments.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lenny
>
> On 4/26/07, Ruben Waitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > What about a financial donation from the list to push Red5 even
harder?
> >
> > Let's say if 500 ppl volunteer to donate $50,-....That's $ 25000,-
> > Maybe with that money download servers and "spare time" of the
developers
> > can be financed.
> >
> > Gr,
> > Ruben
> >
> >
> >
> >
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