Zoki: Thanks for your words of calm, I slept well, went to work and now that the adrenaline is no longer flowing through my veins, have a few ideas. I think my last attempt to install DOS with a format /s left some shit on the MBR, so tonight I am going to go back, remove the partitions using linux fdisk, reformat without /s and then install linux on mbr to clean it up, then do the install again with linux to hda1. This is really crude, but if anyone has more elegant solution, all ears. No, I have no choice. I want to establish a web server and use it to debug my perl scripts that run my business apps. I will lose my access to a web server in a year and need to have a reliable web server running by then.... And, yes, I can't go there with windows, so I have no choice, I really need to get this running before I retire....... Mike Michael Hatzakis Jr, MD Resident Physiatrist - R3 Department of Rehabilitation Thomas Jefferson University Medical Center Philadelphia, PA, 19026 My E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Zoki [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 2:21 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Install Hangs up... On Wed, 6 May 1998, Michael Hatzakis, Jr MD wrote: > Or we just go out and buy NT or Win95 as bad as it is, it works out of > the box every time I have installed it. All this talk about Microsoft > taking over the world. Nonsense. If linux worked out of the box so > you could run a word processor, check your e-mail and actually run > 90% of time, then perhaps it would have a fighting chance. You guys > are all great, but the package isn't there yet. Until then, all this > talk is just that, talk. Perhaps we should be spending our energy > fixing these stupid bugs making linux work for the average person > right out of the box than sit here and blab about how bad Microsoft > is... > <snip> Michael, Michael...MICHAEL!!!...cool down, it's okay, it's us...your friends... You sound so much like me 2 months ago when I was on the urge of giving up because of things that worked yesterday and don't today. I was cursing at my box, Linux, the day I decided to change my typewriter for a PC... But at least I knew that going back to Windows wasn't an option so I spend 4 more nights and suddenly everything fell into place. Now I'm running Linux most of the time - still need Win 3.11 for the faxing but not for long anymore - and I'm doing a great job. I work on 128Mb graph files with GIMP and Windows and Photoshop can eat their hart out! Get a sandbag, put it next to your office table and start installing whatever you want to install in two days when you calmed down. Concerning Windows 95 and NT and Microsoft... You should maybe ask yourself first what kind of work you want to get done with your computer and then decide to get the proper software to serve your needs. If you want to run a simple wordprocessing program and you don't care about GPF's fu*@#ng up your work, if you don't care about having to upgrade (=read change completely) your computer each time you want to install a new program, if you don't mind having to spend money on new hard disks and RAM just to type a darn letter (Office 97: 400Mb of disk space and 32Mb of RAM!!), if you don't mind paying $460,- for NT, a $1.000,- for Office Pro or $1.300,- for Photoshop... and get the bugs for free, then go ahead...Windows is made for you. Just remember you get 2 free calls to Micro$oft's help desk and the rest is charged $75,- a call...Linux mailing lists are for free! Your statement that NT en 95 work out of the box is - I hope - due to your present state of mind. The only thing NT and 95 do out of the box is jump like a little devil shouting: "I'm going to get you, I'm going to get you..." To run NT (and in a lesser form 95) you have to darn well know what you're doing because it doesn't run by it self. NT and 95 look like they work but underneath the "pritty" interface the disaster is being prepared the moment you start it. I have been using NT professionally, had a Intergraph box (the company I worked for actually), 256 of RAM, 2 scratch disks of 700Mb each for Photoshop, 900Mb of virtual memory for NT and still had those stupid errors saying I should close some windows (there was only one running!). I'm not even mentioning the time I spent waiting for the files to spool for printing and then getting a GPF 2 seconds before it was finished. I had to reinstall the whole system twice a month and never without problems, each time I had to change system settings I had to apply Service Pack 3 solving some bugs and introducing new ones... So, please, when you get another frustration attack, call me any names you want but never say what you said about NT and 95 in your last meassage. It's a very touchy subject here with me and my partner. We calculated to have lost 3 assignments due to Windows inavailabilaty and 1 year, 4 months and 2 days out of the 2.5 in "administrating" it. Your hope of making Linux accessible to an average user will stay that...a hope. Computers are not simple and made for average users. They are complicated and demand some knowledge. Because, without that knowledge - even if its basic - you're not a user, you're just clicking on buttons. The fact that Windows is being used by average clickers is because behind them there are professionals supporting them when they get in trouble. I'm sure you never visited a help desk of a computer or software manufacturer, right!? Maybe it doesn't look like that, but this was "just" my $0,02... /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ZOKI, Images Creation d'images & traitement numerique Image creation & digital tweaking \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ This message is brought to you by Linux (2.0.31) and Pine, a text based UNIX e-mail client... So, where do you want to go tomorrow? To your local shop to get Linux!!? %% Fin de message / End of message %% -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
