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From: "Joe Polk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:29:16 -0400
Subject: Major Crash

> Okay, I moved my mail server this weekend. No biggie. Consquently, 
> my list mail backed up and I had over 200 email messages from this 
> list to download into Evolution to my laptop, not to mention my 
> other mailboxes  that I use Evolution to check. Well, everything 
> downloaded fine except the list mail. At some point, Evolution 
> popped in error on the screen and halted (I don't have the error). 
> The entire system froze. When I rebooted, init failed with a kernel 
> panic, init not found.  Panic ensued so I booted with the RH8 cd and 
> attempted a rescue. No luck. I had to run fsck and a HUGE about of 
> files were dumped into lost+found. Or so I thought. There are some 
> files there but most have a file type of "b" as in brw-rw---- foo. 
>  Can I recover any of these? I am only concerned with one file but 
> if I try to copy one of these files it says no "such device'. Any 
> hope of getting at least 1 or two files? Thanks!
> 
> <<JAV>>
> 
Okay, after talking with a friend of mine who I often consult when things go 
oddly wrong it would seem that there may be an issue with RH8 on laptops. 
Specifically, with undocked situations there may be an issue with lockups and 
ext3 being unable to recover the file system. He noted he had 3 similar 
lockups to mine and all required rebuilding the entire system. As in my case, 
he has a laptop that has a very small docking station: smaller than normal 
but a little more functional than a port replicator. Anyway, he thought his 
may have been attributed to overheating. Like mine, his laptop has a tendency 
to heat up abit when not in this dock. On my Toshibe, the fan is located 
right where one's thigh will be when the laptop rests on your legs. We 
thought maybe heat was the issue but this doesn't explain why he saw this 3 
times. I don't think it was undocked all three time with him but maybe.  
Anyway, my lock up occurred undocked as did his. Both resulting in a 
completely ruined filesystem. This is odd seeing as I've shutdown uncleanly 
before and had very little in the way of issues booting. I would think the 
point of a journalling filesystem would mean easier recovery, though that is 
a relative term. I find it odd that both occured under almost identical 
circumstances. I've run my laptop undocked before, however, with no issues. 
In fact, it hadn't been running more than a few minuted when this occurred  
My friend theorized that perhaps the BIOS level power management was a 
possible contributor. The question for the group is, has anyone else notice 
RH8 having issues with laptops where a crash ruined the filesystem?  His 
answer was to load FreeBSD (his OS of choice anyway). I'm not ready to goto 
such manical ends just yet (j/k...a little joke there). Any ideas? Thoughts?

<<JAV>>



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