After looking at both the redhat archives, and freebsd, I guess I'm convinced that chown won't work, by default, for non-root users. Is there any way to change that default on Redhat Linux 6.1? In my unix class, I have the students give me their scripts, by copying them into my directory, and then I ask them to chown the files to me, for practice, and so I don't have to run as root. Not a big problem, but if I can allow chmod, I'd like to. Besides, I'd like them to get in the habit of understanding chown, for future systems they might work on, so they need (non-root) practice. Shouldn't the man pages for chown talk about this? Again, how can I keep telling my students to read the man pages, if they don't even give facts like who can execute a command? In fact, why isn't the command in /usr/sbin (or /sbin?), with the other system commands? If it won't work for regular users, it shouldn't be accessible to them (and the man page should say so!) -- Stan Isaacs -- To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.