On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, you wrote:
> Now with Netscape using ???'s.. where are you talking about.. I'm not sure
> we're talking about the same thing.. you're talking about Word files and
> crap which shouldn't be used in the same sentence as UNIX, etc.
I'm just generally speaking about where the problem originates for me.
I've handled files that other users created in Frontpage, I've converted
files created in Word to HTML for use on web sites. The problem as I can
tell stems from the way MS deals with the ' or " characters. Whether
someone sends me a 'word on mac' file or whether I download a file created
with frontpage, the problem is still the same....every piece of MS
software I've worked with on every platform creates ' and " the same way.
The problem is not the same as your rant regarding netscape...for if that
was the case then it would display correctly on all other
browsers/platforms wouldn't it? I assume that Netscape simply replaces a
character that it cannot translate with an ?, whereas the other browsers
display nothing at all.
So, it really doesn't matter what you use to view that document with, you
will see the same problem. I use Bluefish editor for Linux to do my HTML
and I test in Netscape, Amaya and Lynx. Just find a page that contains
that problem and load it up with Emacs to see the problem. On my machine
I see the open quote as \223 and the close quote as \224. They could have
just used " to create it if it was that big a deal to do something
different. Use cat -A filname.html and you will see ^S for opening quote,
^R for ' and ^T for the closing quote. Those are all non-printing
characters.
Yet, and this is stupid, if you look in a tag (container) of an HTML
file created with Frontpage or Word you will find the quotes correctly
placed. Anyone know why this is? Because honestly, if they can do it
right in the tags to meet W3 standards I'm SURE they can do it right in
the text so a browser other than MSIE can read it. So does it all come
down to the monopoly thing again? They'll only replace the ' and " in text
BETWEEN tags? Is that the deal?
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Rob Hardowa wrote:
>
> > Really, it's Netscape? That's funny, cause I still have that problem in
> > Lynx and Amaya as well. Not QUITE the same problem, but rather than
> > displaying the ? it displays nothing at all, not even a space. I've come
> > across that in my editor as well where it will display a space instead of
> > the ' or " char (can't remember which).
> >
> > I receive Word files regularly (mostly from Macs), which I sometimes
> > convert with staroffice on linux and sometimes I switch to MS and save
> > them to HTML using the genuine article (Word on Windows). No kidding,
> > I'll load it up in my editor and find space in place of '. The space I
> > just cut, and click replace with a ' in Blusfish HTML editor on Linux. So
> > it is a misplaced ASCII code, what code I'm not sure, I never bothered to
> > look.
> >
> > So I'm afraid the problem is only partially with Netscape. MS is partly
> > to blame. I just converted a site that was generated with Frontpage and
> > what a mess of code that was...but it bore the same problem. It looks
> > like both Netscape and MS have some work to do...naw, just MS :) If they
> > wrote the code correctly then Netscape would display it correctly!
> >
> > Rob
> >
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