On Nov 17, 2001, 21:35 (-0600) ABrady wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Monte Milanuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 9:27 PM > Subject: Re: OT: SuSE review > > > > On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:46:28 +0100 (CET) > > Wolfgang Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >
[ ... ] > > > > > > > > > According to > > > http://www.linuxiso.org/suse.html > > > > > > " ... Intel 7.3 Live Evaluation iso (runs from cd only) ... " > > > > > > > > > > True, you can't d/l a free iso image and install from that. But you > *can* downlad via FTP and do a network install. Or, if you have > broadband, you could conceivably do network install over the Internet. > > > > [ ... ] > > > > > > Their Yast license basically says you can change the Yast source, > but > > > you're not allowed to sell it without "written consent of SuSE > GmbH", but > > > Suse is allowed to *sell* your edited version: > > > > > > > http://garbo.uwasa.fi/pub/linux/distributions/SuSE/7.2/COPYRIGHT.yast > > > " ... SuSE GmbH reserves the right to accept parts or all amendments > of a > > > modified version of YaST into the official version of YaST free of > > > charge. The Licensee has no bearing on this. ... " > > > > > > And this exactly is why I say Suse have given up more or less the > idea of > > > Free Software, with the consequence, that I advise everybody > interested in > > > it to buy every possible Linux distro she or he wants to test > *except* the > > > Suse one. > > > > > > > Have to disagree w/ you there. SuSE does sponsor a lot of the work > done on KDE and the Linux kernel as well, plus ReiserFS, LVM, and a few > others. The fact that they choose to keep their installer/admin tool > proprietary bites, to be sure, but is somewhat understandable. People > seem to have the misconception that a company has to give away all of > it's crown jewels to be truly a part of the 'Open Source' community. If > I'm not mistaken, SuSE does make the source to yast accessible, they > just think that they have put a lot of work into it and would rather not > give it away, seeng as how they contribute heavily to the community > already. > > And, I might add, OPEN SOURCE and FREE are NOT synonyms. As a matter of > fact, some are quite upset with FSF because of their insistence that > everything be FREE. And some claim the FSF has become a liability to > those that believe in open source because they want to push it further. > > Just making the point. I haven't really made up my mind except to say, > the writer owns it and has every right to do with it as (s)he pleases, > including not releasing or working on it at all. > ... I think in the meantime that my sentence where I said, that Suse more or less had given up the idea of free software is probably exaggerated ... and I don't complain at all that software companies are trying to make money: after all, I don't see how they could survive without profits. I simply don't like the way how Suse Gmbh treats others as far as Yast is concerned: again: everyone -- at least as far as I understood the Yast license -- has the right to change Yast: the point is, that Suse can sell the work of others, after those have contributed to changes of Yast, without being obliged to pay them for their work, whereas the non-Suse programmers do not have the right to make money with the work that Suse has made for Yast without "written consent of SuSE GmbH" ... fair play? I can't believe Suse GmbH would ruin their business if they'd say that they're clearly prepared to pay for a change in Yast as soon as they are selling such a changed version, or if they gave other, non-Suse programmers, a clear possibility to make money with the work that those did for Yast. Again: I absolutely do not complain the fact that in a capitalist society people are behaving like true members of this society: quite on the contrary I think that they do not only have the right to act like that but sometimes they possibly even have the duty to act like that ... but I find it disgusting to behave like "we're different, we're better than Gates, we're Linux" and the doing in one area (or another?) nearly the same as Microsoft *perhaps* would do ... Or perhaps putting it like that: I prefer people who leave me at least under the *illusion* that they are as good as they maintain to be ... :) (No, please (!!) don't tell me I should simply do something for a stronger stomach for those "Suse-situations" in life ... no! ... :)) Regards Wolfgang -- http://www.geocities.com/wolfgangpfeiffer -- END TRANSMISSION -- _______________________________________________ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
