On 11:47 16 Mar 2002, Gordon Messmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| On Fri, 2002-03-15 at 09:43, Rick Warner wrote:
| > On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, David Talkington wrote:
| > > Um ... Rick, you can turn that off.  See the sshd man page for 
| > > AllowTcpForwarding.
| > 
| > Ummm, David, I can turn it off on sshd, not ssh esp. if users can bring
| > accumulate their own copies and circumvent my ssh config files.  
| > Scenario: dangerous user A, who knows enough to do harm but not enough to
| > know he is dangerous, decides that Company Z does not allow all the
| > protocols he wants to/from his home network.

A good point.

| Re-evaluate your need for inbound/outbound SSH.  Where I work, for
| instance, inbound SSH is allowed only to a small number of trusted
| servers.

Likewise, but that's not his problem.

| You may find that outbound SSH is not necessary,

It's very very useful.

| or that
| the risks involved can be greatly reduced by allowing outbound ssh
| from only a single host, which can be used by trusted users.

This is a viable approach, often.

| > This is why the tunnelling features need to be completely separated, IMHO

Actually, that's a waste of effort. You can run an arbitrary protocol
over the main ssh connection (i.e. _without_ port forwarding) and thus
run a port forward capable protocol (like, gee, I dunno, ssh itself :-)
over that. While your category 4 user (see sig quote) may not think of
this one, your "rogue" category 1 user may, so your security problem is
not fixed with such an approach, merely mildly enhanced.

Personally I would opt for the "allow outbound ssh to a set of trusted
users" approach if possible. At my workplace we're fairly fortunate; most
of our users are either category 1, and thus in the trusted class. Most
others are category 3 and can be told why we don't like them to forward
whatever weird dangerous protocol they wanted and how to arrange their
specific need more safely. Our few category 4 users don't know enough
to want ssh outbound.
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