I am not on the IPCop Team; my SmoothWall experience ended up leaving a bad taste for GPL development (which I know is unfair; most projects don't work that way). My wife, Rebecca, under no conditions would be considered a Junior member, nor Tertiary, as she handled all of the coordination for the various languages.
As for "Junior and Tertiary", one of the founders of IPCop is a fellow by the name of Eric Johansson; the other primary guy is a fellow named Mark Wormgoor. Mark left, IIRC, towards the end of May last year; up to that point, he was one of the three main programmers on the team, the others being Lawrence Manning and Dan Goscomb, but when he left, there was some "Don't let the door hit you" from a few team members (not myself, however; I agreed with the reasons Mark left, but that's a different story). Eric, on the other hand, was the number one guy in the US. Which brings up "the rest of the story" about whether he was important. You see, Eric was one of the "Vision Guys", who helped to make decisions on the team's direction (with Richard). While Lawrence was the head programmer/technical expert, Eric was the #2 guy on how things were going to be done. Back during... July? of last year, there came up an issue on Trademarks, with Caveonet (the company that Richard, Lawrence, and Paul Tansom worked for) attempting to "steal" the trademark (yeah, there's a bias here; I'm putting it in the perceptions of those in the situation at the time, not a grudge thing, though, so let it slide). At the culmination of that, a SmoothWall Trustee group was set up, between the principle SmoothWall Team members and Caveonet. Ten people were chosen, split among two "sub groups", the US and the UK (William Anderson, BTW, was in the UK side; for those who don't know, but are interested enough to read this, at the time William lived in Scotland). I was a signatory of it, as was my wife. So was Eric Johansson. However, some other "major" players (in the opinion of the current article) were not, because >THEY WEREN'T PRIMARY TEAM MEMBERS<. It was a legal document, and the US team were my wife and I and Eric. Theoretically, SmoothWall, Limited is unlicensed to work in any capacity in the US without our consent, as they represented only the UK side, as the documents were set up to try to put limits on what Caveonet tried if they started trying to steal the product and name at the time. Theory and practice differ, though. Even as shabbily as Richard ended up treating my wife, I don't think any of us (Eric included) would begrudge them doing there thing, as long as they leave us alone. BTW, in the URL you sent, Richard talks about "our documentation" having had to be removed from IPCop; I just wanted to say that at least as far as the online HELP files went, Rebecca and I wrote about half of them. Since they were released under the GPL, the threat of legal action is just that, a threat. On a related note, because of some other problems with the way a few folks operated (i.e., they blew off Rebecca's asking for it), the translation files were never "obtained" by SmoothWall with a proper license; though released as GPL, they were marked as being "Copyright The SmoothWall Team", but because certain team members ignored the requirement, those folks weren't given proper credit for their work as SmoothWall team members (in fact, since "rewriting history" and erasing me and (nearly erasing my wife) from all references other than the original 0.9.9 release) they've actually broken GPL and copyright law by not putting in proper attribution. My wife, while still a team member, tried to correct that oversight, by running a site for the language team, but took it down when Richard turned on her, too. In sum, what Richard claims in your URL piece is exactly what HE and the SmoothWall team are doing; not giving the authors the credit due to them. However, this has now gone way far off topic for the REDHAT list; if this were a "GPL Development: How (not) to" List, maybe it'd be on topic. I suggest further discussion from here on either the SmoothWall mailing list, or the IPCop mailing list, or someone finding that GPL Development list. Bill Ward > -----Original Message----- > From: Trevor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Smoothwall... > > > Richard went on a little rant about IPCop. Did you read > this? Sound like > sour grapes to me. > > http://www.smoothwall.org/community/home/articles/dickmorrell/ > 20020322.time. > html _______________________________________________ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
