Brother Paiz, I'm afraid you misread or misunderstood my comment.

Not all mailers understand or can make use of SMTP AUTH.  I did not say 
"not all MTAs"...mailers = client mail programs.  MTAs = mail servers.

On Sat, 18 May 2002, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote:

> 
> At 5/16/2002 10:10 PM -0400, Mike Burger wrote:
> >On Thu, 16 May 2002, Anthony E. Greene wrote:
> > >
> > > Because POP before SMTP is a kludge. SMTP AUTH is part of the standard.
> > >
> >
> >But Pop-Before-SMTP utilizes existing, easily implementable standards.
> >
> >Not all mailers understand or can make use of SMTP AUTH, and it's not
> >necessarily an easy thing to properly implement.
> 
> Incorrect, Brother Burger. Deeply, profoundly incorrect.
> 
> SMTP AUTH is a standard, defined via RFC as standards are. It therefore 
> meets your "existing" criterion. It is also extremely easy to implement 
> (meeting your second criterion).
> 
> Any user with enough "skill" (loosely defined) to modify sendmail.mc and 
> allow their mailserver to receive connections from the network can also 
> uncomment the following three lines (straight from the stock sendmail.mc):
> 
> define(`confAUTH_OPTIONS', `A')dnl
> TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl
> define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl
> 
> Then restart sendmail; that's all there is to it.
> 
> On the other hand, POP-before-SMTP is not a standard or anything close to 
> it. It is a kludge (albeit a useful kludge) which was implemented during 
> the interval _after_ SMTP AUTH was defined but _before_ most mailers 
> supported it. Note that LookOut, LookOut Express, Eudora, Evolution, KMail, 
> and even pine support SMTP AUTH. Whichever mailers don't support it, are 
> simply broken.
> 
> I also don't find it easier to implement. Additional packages, additional 
> databases, also having to modify sendmail.mc, and the fact that all my 
> users scream about their mail not leaving their computer, the grief about 
> having to constantly check mail twice, etc... all these things tell me that 
> POP-before-SMTP is not my friend.
> 
> 
> 



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