Thanks to Bret and all those who had replied. It seems that the reservation
of the .0 address is not out of necessity but "tradition". :) Anyway, I
shan't pursue this issue any further.

Best,
David Chao


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bret Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Network address of LAN.


> On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 02:40, Chao Jang Wei wrote:
> > But why are the .0 address unusable by hosts? It is not something like
the
> > .255 broadcast address. There shouldn't be any confusion if a host is
> > assigned xxx.xxx.xxx.0. That host will be the 0th host (as opposed to
the
> > 1st host). It doesn't make sense to reserved an IP address just because
it
> > is designated as the network address. Unless it causes confusion to the
> > routers. (but how?) Can anyone try to explain?
>
> This is sort of answered by the discussions of single bit subnets since
> by definition there is only two address, the network and the broadcast.
>
> from
> http://www.private.org.il/tcpip-faq/faq-1.htm#private-ip
>
> **********************************************************
>
> *  Can I use a single bit subnet?
>
> The answer used to be a straightforward "no", because a 1-bit subnet can
> only have a subnet part of all-ones or all-zeroes, both of which were
> assigned special meanings when the subnetting concept was originally
> defined. (All-ones meant "broadcast, all subnets of this net" and
> all-zeroes meant "this subnet, regardless of its actual subnet number".)
>
> However, the old definition of subnetting has been superseded by the
> concept of Classless Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR, pronounced 'cider').
> Under CIDR the subnet doesn't really have an existence of its own and
> the subnet mask simply provides the mechanism for isolating an
> arbitrarily-sized network portion of an IP address from the remaining
> host part. As CIDR-aware equipment is deployed it becomes increasingly
> like that you will be able to use a 1-bit subnet with at least some
> particular combinations of networking equipment. However, it's still not
> safe to assume that a 1-bit subnet will work properly with all kinds of
> equipment.
>
>
> *******************************
>
> I get from this that is is probably not a good idea.  I guess if you had
> control over every machine and program that might see the packet and the
> were all CIDR aware (I usually see this as nework definitions like
> 192.168.0.0/24) then you might be ok.  Still not considered a good
> procatice though.
>
> HTH
>
> Bret



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