Ironic. Ellsbury just won MLB.com's Defensive Player of the Year.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Thu Dec 17 16:18:15 2009 Subject: Re: Dealing Ellsbury? Nick Carfardo thinks we should trade Westmoreland. So I agree with Steve. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> wrote: Actually, that has him as a minus-9, which is quite a bit below average. Other fielding metrics had him even worse, though the two prior seasons that he was a little above average. Seems hard to believe, but the explanation I've heard is that he is terrible at balls hit right at him; very slow to react coming in or going back. He also apparently started playing abnormally deep, allowing a lot of balls to fall in. He's got the tools to be outstanding, but don't know if you can teach instincts. I'm OK with trading Casey Kelly, but I don't want to deal Ryan Westmoreland. Ever. Steve O On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: Ellsbury was slightly below average in fielding in 2009: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/ellsbja01-field.shtml#standard_fielding He was so close to average that I wouldn't say he cost us anything On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: I was surprised yesterday when Sean McAdam and Steve Buckley knocked Ellsbury's defense. He's made some exciting plays, but perhaps he's not strong day-to-day? Bucholz/Ellsbury does sound like a lot, but I'm about the team. If Theo can fill the hole in LF I'm all for the deal. BTW, you're all free to throw these words back at me in a couple of years. But Casey Kelly better be a damn good ballplayer if he's that untouchable. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> wrote: If dealing those two gets a power-hitting first baseman just coming into his prime, I can live with it. Ellsbury's OBP is in the lower third of major-league leadoff hitters and he doesn't provide a ton of power. I like the kid and I like what he brings, but I think the upgrade to Gonzalez is worth it, especially given that Mike Cameron can play center field. Any chance they make the deal for Gonzalez, who's on a very club-friendly deal at the moment, and still sign Bay to play left? That team would stack up very favorably against the Yankees. It's also feasible payroll-wise because a lot of money is coming off the books the next two years. -- Matt ________________________________ From: Steve Gendron <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 11:03:54 AM Subject: Dealing Ellsbury? Talk is that the Red Sox would have to deal both Clay Bucholz AND Jacoby Ellsbury to land Adrian Gonzalez. 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