I drafted Jeremy Giambi that year. Shows what I know... -- Matt
________________________________ From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 12:14:51 PM Subject: Re: Tek Back! He was nothing when the Sox got him. Wasn't even drafted in Tom's Roto league. On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> wrote: David Ortiz? > > > >On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >What I don't expect is last year's back up catcher and a reclamation project >to >cementing the infield. >> >>This isn't an argument, just a question. >> >>Has the current regime had any luck with the "change of scenery/reclaimation" >>players? Will Mo. Smoltz. Penny. I guess Bronson Arroyo, but he was traded >>for >>Wily Mo. It's too soon to count Darnell McDonald or Nava. >> >>At least Duquette had Wakefield and Troy O'Leary. >> >> >> >> >> >>On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> >>wrote: >> >>Tom stole part of my thunder. The Sox play in the tough American League and >>the >>brutal AL East, and they charge the highest ticket prices in baseball. Red >>Sox >>fans have every right to expect more. >>> >>>-- Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 11:58:29 AM >>>Subject: Re: Tek Back! >>> >>> >>>I'm paying $50 a ticket for decent grandstand seats. Yes, I expect above >>>average >>>players at every position. >>> >>>Perhaps the Red Sox are getting spoiled. >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>>wrote: >>> >>>Heathliff Slocumb was nothing, but it's not a point worth fighting over. >>>> >>>>Varitek played four years of high level college baseball, was drafted in >>>>the >>>>first round, twice, and played three unimpressive minor league seasons. At >>>>25, >>>>when the Sox got him, he looked like a bust or possibly a career backup. >>>>Physical tools, but no performance. A .742 AAA OPS at age 25 does not look >>>>like >>>>a future all-star. >>>> >>>>Salty got drafted out of high school in the first round and had to work his >>>>way >>>>up through the minors. He had a fantastic season as a 20-year-old in High-A >>>>in >>>>2005, then struggled in AA (.733 OPS) at age 21, his fourth season. Still, >>>>he >>>>played most of the next season (2007) with the Braves anyway -- before he >>>>was >>>>ready. He's struggled since then (I don't think it's fair to say the Braves >>>>gave >>>>up on him -- he was packaged with Neftali Feliz and Elvis Andrus for >>>>Teixeira) >>>>and been up and down. >>>> >>>>Salty has 800-plus major league at bats at the same age as Varitek was just >>>>breaking in. I think it's too early to call him a bust when Varitek was >>>>struggling in the minors at the exact same point of their career. He's had >>>>injury problems, which might not go away, and Andy Marte could be an apt >>>>comparison -- a guy whose physical skills never translated to success. He's >>>>got >>>>talent and the potential to be very good. I'm looking forward to seeing him >>>>get >>>>a chance. >>>> >>>>Am I the only person who doesn't see the need to put an established >>>>30-something >>>>at every starting position? Red Sox fans are so spoiled ... >>>> >>>>Steve O >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>I'm wary of the Tek comparisons as well. To Steve O's comment, Tek wasn't >>>>acquired for "nothing" at the time. Seattle was in a pennant race and >>>>needed to >>>>overpay to acquire a closer, even one as suspect at Heathcliff Slocumb. (He >>>>did >>>>save 27 games that year for BOS/SEA.) >>>>> >>>>>Still, it was a terrible deal, I know. But only in hindsight. >>>>> >>>>>But Tek had only been in the minors for two years, not six or seven like >>>>>Salty. >>>>>He was just a young catcher. Not a project that's now our starting catcher. >>>>> >>>>>From the ESPN article on the trade: >>>>> >>>>>Last winter Saltalamacchia had surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome, which >>>>>is >>>>>acombination of pain in the neck and shoulder. It causes numbness and a >>>>>weak >>>>>grip. >>>>> >>>>>"He's had a difficult recovery from that," Epstein said. >>>>>Saltalamacchia said he thought it was time for a fresh start. >>>>>"I loved it here in Texas and really bonded with a lot of those guys," he >>>>>said. >>>>>"But for whatever reason it wasn't a fit. That's OK. I'm excited to go to >>>>>Boston >>>>>and keep working." >>>>>Saltalamacchia said he already has talked to Epstein. >>>>>"He wanted me to keep doing what I've been doing," Saltalamacchia said. >>>>>"They >>>>>gave up some good players to get me, so I feel good about how they value >>>>>me." >>>>>Saltalamacchia has had throwing issues this season, including trouble >>>>>throwing >>>>>the ball back to the pitcher. Boston had scouts watching him right up >>>>>until the >>>>>deadline, and they, as well as Saltalamacchia, are convinced those woes >>>>>are a >>>>>thing of the past. >>>>>"Once I figured out it wasn't mental, I was OK," Saltalamacchia said. "It >>>>>was a >>>>>physical issue where I wasn't in the proper arm slot and then I made it a >>>>>mental >>>>>issue. Now I'm throwing in the right slot and it's fine." >>>>> >>>>>"He's battled some throwing issues earlier this year, but he didn't take >>>>>time >>>>>off and he really battled through them," Epstein said. "He's throwing the >>>>>ball >>>>>back to the pitcher fine and throwing to the bases pretty well. We feel >>>>>like >>>>>he's a classic guy with a high ceiling who needs a change of scenery." >>>>> >>>>>Epstein and the Red Sox believe they can work with Saltalamacchia to >>>>>"unleash >>>>>that potential at some point" and the club is hoping he can help in the >>>>>short >>>>>and long term. >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>> >>>>>Perhaps they've solved all those problems. But we won't - and they won't - >>>>>know >>>>>until April or May. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley >>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>I'm willing to be wowed with some spectacular move down the road, but I >>>>>can't >>>>>shake the idea that Theo has bungled his free agency decisions in the past >>>>>12 >>>>>months. By not paying reasonable deals for Jason Bay and VMart, he may >>>>>now have >>>>>to overpay for Werth, whose numbers are at best comparable to Bay for a >>>>>player >>>>>of the same age, or Crawford, who I don't think offers the Sox much they >>>>>don't >>>>>already have. >>>>>> >>>>>>And I dread a year of Saltalamacchia. Atlanta (which does a pretty fair >>>>>>job of >>>>>>sizing up prospects -- remember Andy Marte?) and Texas both gave up on >>>>>>him. I >>>>>>hope I'm wrong and that the Tek comparison that gets thrown about comes >>>>>>true, >>>>>>but I'm not optimistic. >>>>>> >>>>>>-- Matt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ From: William Marino <[email protected]> >>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 10:40:26 AM >>>>>>Subject: RE: Tek Back! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>That’s my point. >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>From:[email protected] >>>>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>Behalf Of Dan DiBiase >>>>>>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:07 AM >>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>Subject: Re: Tek Back! >>>>>> >>>>>>What's the uncertainly at SS and CF? It's Scutaro and Ellsbury... >>>>>> >>>>>>As far as catching, hard to say, but certainly wear and tear comes into >>>>>>it, even >>>>>>at a young age. One of my HS-age nephews is an avid baseball player, >>>>>>playing on several teams year-round, and is pretty good. He played >>>>>>catcher, >>>>>>second base and pitched a little. He gave up the catching because >>>>>>he said he was getting too beat up..... >>>>>> >>>>>>Dan D >>>>>>Central NJ USA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>From:William Marino <[email protected]> >>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 9:47:24 AM >>>>>>Subject: RE: Tek Back! >>>>>>Why is it so hard to develop good catchers? Is it because the really >>>>>>good >>>>>>athletes don’t want to play that position? Other thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>>I’d love to see Salty work out, but how can we go into the season with >>>>>>uncertainty at catcher, short stop and center field? >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>From:[email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>[email protected] ] >>>>>>On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >>>>>>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:25 AM >>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>Subject: Re: Tek Back! >>>>>> >>>>>>I could get behind that. I'd trade hitting for pitching at this point. >>>>>>On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>Maybe they're saving their money for Cliff Lee? >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>From:[email protected] >>>>>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>>Behalf Of Ray Salemi >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:14 PM >>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>Subject: Re: Tek Back! >>>>>>>yes. When we face lefties we get to play the guy who can't throw. >>>>>>>On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>Oh goodie we're platooning now. >>>>>>>On Dec 2, 2010 7:57 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As much as I'd prefer for Tek to retire, he still hits lefties well, >>>>>>>>and Salty >>>>>>>>hits righties well. I'm willing to give the guy with all the letters a >>>>>>>>chance to >>>>>>>>prove himself. He actually reminds me of a young Tek -- heralded draft >>>>>>>>choice >>>>>>>>who stagnated, got traded for practically nothing, then established >>>>>>>>himself >>>>>>>>after 25. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Steve O >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can we have a DH for cat... >>>>>>-- >>>>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>>"Red >>>>>>Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>[email protected]. >>>>>>For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>Author of Robot Haiku : Poems for humans to read until their robots >>>>>>>decide it's >>>>>>>kill time. >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>Groups "Red >>>>>>>Sox Citizens" group. 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