On 10/12/16 9:27 AM, Gould, James wrote:
Thanks again for reviewing the draft and providing feedback. I reply
to your replies below.
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On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Robert Sparks <rjspa...@nostrum.com
Responses inline -
On 10/10/16 10:28 AM, Gould, James wrote:
But you are not including the entire EPP definition for most of these
- you are only copying in _part_ of it, and it's not the important part.
Thank you for your review and feedback. I provide responses to your
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On Oct 5, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Robert Sparks <rjspa...@nostrum.com
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Reviewer: Robert Sparks
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Summary: This draft is on the right track but has open issues,
described in the review.
Many of the descriptions describe only side-effects of the status
instead of the status itself.
All of the descriptions for the new rdap status codes start with
"For DNR that indicates". This implies that there is a "For not
DNR" case that's not discussed. I don't think the phrase is
necessary and each description should look more like the other
descriptions already registered at
For instance, at 'auto renew period' the document currently says:
"For DNR that indicates if the object is deleted by the registrar
during this period, the registry provides a credit to the registrar
for the cost of the auto renewal"
That discusses something (and not the only thing) that can happen
while the object is in that state. It does not describe the state.
I suggest it should instead say (based on the text in 3915 and the
current registry entry style):
"The object instance is in a grace period provided between when its
registration period expires and when its registration is
automatically renewed by the registry."
I don't think it's important to include the commentary about
providing a credit if the entity is deleted by the registrar during
this period, but since that commentary exists in 3915, you can
include it if you want. The _important_ part to convey is the
The “For DNR that indicates” can be removed from the descriptions.
For example, the "addPeriod = add period; For DRN that indicates if
the object is …” mapping could be "addPeriod = add period; If the
object is …”. The purpose of this draft is to map the statuses
defined in EPP and RDAP, so the status descriptions included in the
draft where taken from the EPP RFC’s. There is no intent to
redefine the statuses included in the EPP RFC’s in anyway.
Looking at -02 of the draft, you currently have this:
addPeriod = add period; If the object is deleted by the client
during this period, the server provides a credit to the client
for the cost of the registration.
Where did you take the definition out of the EPP suite though?
On a fast skim, I assumed you took it from this statement in RFC3915:
addPeriod: This grace period is provided after the initial
registration of a domain name. If the domain name is deleted by
the registrar during this period, the registry provides a credit
to the registrar for the cost of the registration.
You left out "The grace period is provided after the initial
registration of a domain name" which is what the the status _is_.
That's what the status code is conveying. The extra words about
credit after deletion are commentary about things that can happen
while the object is in that state.
(And you're already changing words by using "the client" instead of
Maybe you took the state definition from some other place?
Many of the other definitions in this document have that same problem.
Yes, this is the text block from RFC 3915 that was used as the basis
for the description. I disagree that the extra words about credit
after deletion are commentary, since that is really the point of the
status. The status does not do anything other than to inform the
client / registrar that a credit will be given upon deletion. I can
add the “This grace period is provided after the initial registration
of a object” and look to add similar text to the other statuses. Does
that meet your concern?
I understand. I'm pointing to the tension between the goals of matching
the style of the existing rdap registry and not changing the definitions
from EPP. Don't fret it much. Your argument against trying to avoid
accidentally failing to preserve the meaning of the EPP status is
compelling, so I wouldn't object to staying as close to the exact words
in 3915 as you can.
The reason for the change in the terms (object instead of domain name,
client instead of registrar, and server instead of registry) is based
on your prior feedback of not tying the statuses to the Domain Name
Registries (DNR). Does providing more generic descriptions make sense
All of the descriptions will need similar attention. Some of them
(such as clientUpdateProhibited) currently have 2119 words in the
description. That doesn't make sense - this is a status, not an
protocol instruction, and trying to put normative language in a
registry will lead to confusion about where the behavior you are
trying to describe is actually defined. (To be fair, 5731 has this
same problem). Again, I suggest following the style that's already
in the registry and say something like "The client has requested
that any requests to update this object instance be rejected."
The clientUpdateProhibited status is defined as:
clientUpdateProhibited = client update prohibited; For DNR that
indicates the client requested that requests to update the object
(other than to remove this status) MUST be rejected.
Where do you see 2119 words in the clientUpdateProhibited
description? The status descriptions were taken from the EPP RFC’s
with no intent on changing their meaning.
You copied it - above - it's the MUST.
This is 5731's issue - that MUST should have been in text about what
servers do with requests received while the object is in that state,
instead of being part of the state definition, and the state
description in a registry.
I understand not wanting to risk introducting confusion by restating
a definition since you are simply wanting to take the EPP definitions
completely, so it's probably the better trade-off to propagate that
problem rather than fix it in this document.
Got it, thanks.
As I note, this is a minor issue, but I disagree. Cleaner for _who_?
It's certainly not cleaner for the anyone who has to revise this
document (and it's not cleaner for you as the editor of this document
or the RFC editor since you have to make any change in two places,
risking having the document become internally inconsistent). I don't
see how it's cleaner for the implementer of the specification either.
You're setting up a minor maintenance headache for any future work
that might update this document by having the descriptions listed
in two places. I don't think it's necessary to list the
descriptions in section 2 (currently the bulk of page 4 and the
beginning of page 5). Instead, stop after the paragraph that ends
at the top of page 4, and note that the descriptions of each new
status code are provided in section 3.
The desire was for section 2 to stand on its own to define the
statuses and the mapping, and for section 3 to be used to register
the statuses in registry. I believe it would be cleaner to
duplicate the descriptions in this instance.
We can agree to disagree on this one. It is cleaner for the user of
the document. As the editor of the document, it’s not an issue.
Section 2 provides the description of the mapping and section 3 is
for IANA consideration to get the missing statuses registered into
RDAP JSON Values Registry.
Near the end of page 3, the document says "In the DNR, the client
and server prohibited statuses are separate an RDAP MUST support
the same separation." There are several nits to address with this.
That MUST is not a good use of 2119. DNR hasn't been expanded (and
"the DNR" is not particularly clear).
I suggest you replace that sentence, and the one immediately before
"EPP provides status codes that allow distinguishing the case that
an action is prohibited because of server policy from the case that
an action is prohibited because of a client request. The ability to
make this distinction needs to be preserved in RDAP.”
This change will be made.
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