Thomas,


For use case #2 (info response of EAI address with non-EAI supporting client), 
your preference is to return a failure.  Is 2308 “data management policy 
violation” the best error code in your opinion?  Do others agree that for this 
use case the server should return an error to a non-EAI supporting client in 
place of returning a successful response with a predefined placeholder value 
for the required email element when the value is an EAI address?  For this use 
case the most likely scenario is that the querying client is the non-sponsoring 
client, since they didn't create the contact.



For use case #1, what is your proposal for the value that the sponsoring 
registrar should provide with the create command to a non-EAI supporting 
server?  I see the following options:



  1.  ASCII placeholder value – The current proposal is the use of 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>.  The assumption is that 
using a placeholder value is not the preferred option based on your feedback on 
use case 2.
  2.  Collect ASCII value from registrant – This is counter to the goal of 
supporting EAI, so it would only be done to pass a compliant value to a non-EAI 
supporting server.
  3.  Use proxy ASCII value – The EAI registrar would need to be able to 
support EAI registrants and mix for EAI-supporting registries by providing a 
ASCII proxy value to a non-EAI-supporting registry.  The proxy value to use 
would be up to registrar policy.
  4.  A mix of the above options.



Are there other options to consider?  Do you have a preference for the options?



Thanks,



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On 8/2/21, 11:42 AM, "regext on behalf of Thomas Corte (TANGO support)" 
<[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote:



    Hello,



    On 8/2/21 15:50, Gould, James wrote:



    >  2. EPP Contact <info> Response

    >     
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    >     
<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1FgtS7m-xW-ZevXhWmnVO4Srd-o3ZnXlxd56BLZKCbdGU5qI0hxTWtvLd4sUE43gHtwFpwFZGUHjTdiQysEwr5nt_BCtNz9doKwi9fntdIrIA-c0BaLLhweuIYp6sCPoQsk7eOpDme8ANbDJf1TEXNsr91wlDi4uSjIj_yXdgrWgnC9PwEyVsz7W5uXKw5DmWUwHTTvBRoHg2eGd1PcDa5yzzl7BOcS0X1u0jhWnlWSi2BOhu08sa4CvC82wkjwqz/https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Frfc5733%23section-3.1.2>)
 - The

    >     <contact:email> element is required, which poses an issue when the

    >     registry supports EAI and the querying registrar does not support

    >     EAI.  The querying registrar could be any registrar and not just the

    >     sponsoring registrar, where there is only a single email value in the

    >     registry that is an EAI address for this use case.  What should the

    >     registry return to the non-EAI supporting registrar?  This case is

    >     even more challenging then case #1 since registry has a single value

    >     and there can be a mix of EAI supporting querying registrars.  One

    >     alternative is to return an error response (e.g., 2308 “data

    >     management policy violation”) instead of a successful response with a

    >     predefined placeholder value,  but that seems harsh to me.



    It does seem harsh, but it's (in my opinion) the better option than to

    return a syntactically valid placeholder value for the e-mail, as that

    placeholder value will - for registrars not supporting EAI - most likely

    end up being used as the "real" e-mail address for the contact, causing

    problems down the line, for example when the registrar tries to send

    verification e-mails to the contact for ICANN WAP compliance. These mails

    will bounce, which very often goes unnoticed, and domains may be

    suspended as a result. In this scenario, it's better to "fail fast", i.e.

    let the inquiry of the contact's data fail with the 2308 error, which

    will immediately point the registrar to a systemic problem that needs to

    be addressed.



    Best regards,



    Thomas



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