Hi,

Unfortunately none of these options will tell you if a x86_64 Mac OS X
GCC installation will support cross-compiling for PPC, let alone LLVM.
 For my Mac 10.6 build machine, it is x86_64 but the Xcode installed
supports cross-compiling for the PPC and i386 targets.  This is the
challenge, determining which targets can be cross-compiled.  This is a
Mac only issue as this cross-compilation is used to build the
'Universal binary', or in this case 3 way PPC, i386, and x86_64.
There is no such concept in Linux or Windows.

This is a really tough problem, made much more difficult by having
LLVM pretending to be GCC (probably via LLVM-GCC).  The only option
might to to have the sconstruct script generate a temporary directory,
dump a basic C file in there, try to compile it with the different
-arch targets, check for errors, and finally delete the temporary
directory.  I haven't encountered LLVM on a Mac system yet.  Do you
know how it is on yours?

Regards,

Edward



On 2 December 2013 21:06, Troels Emtekær Linnet <tlin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How about something like this?
>
> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~cs448/git/trunk/src/SConstruct
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11377274/how-to-determine-which-compiler-was-requested
>
> Could there be created a short "print" sconstruct file to test in?
>
> I tested the relax .dmg version, and it look good with no errors.
>
> I though receive some errors with the compiled version, which I will post 
> soon.
>
> Best
>
> Troels Emtekær Linnet
>
>
> 2013/12/2 Edward d'Auvergne <edw...@nmr-relax.com>:
>> Ah, there's the problem right there!  That is not gcc.  It is LLVM
>> pretending to be gcc, but failing in mimicking it's behaviour
>> correctly!  It does not support ppc, but it is responding like a gcc
>> version that does.  Hmmm, I'm not sure what a solution would be for
>> testing LLVM verses gcc, or to determine which architectures LLVM
>> supports.  If you do find out, that could be quite useful for that
>> sconstruct method.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Edward
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 December 2013 18:30, Troels Emtekær Linnet <tlin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Edward.
>>>
>>> ---------
>>> tlinnet@linmac:relax_trunk$ gcc -v
>>> Configured with:
>>> --prefix=/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/usr
>>> --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.2.1
>>> Apple LLVM version 5.0 (clang-500.2.79) (based on LLVM 3.3svn)
>>> Target: x86_64-apple-darwin13.0.0
>>> Thread model: posix
>>> -------
>>> It is the ppc who give the problem
>>>
>>> tlinnet@linmac:relax_trunk$ gcc -o target_functions/c_chi2.os -c
>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/include/python2.7
>>> -arch i386 -fPIC target_functions/c_chi2.c
>>>
>>> tlinnet@linmac:relax_trunk$ gcc -o target_functions/c_chi2.os -c
>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/include/python2.7
>>> -arch x86_64 -fPIC target_functions/c_chi2.c
>>>
>>> tlinnet@linmac:relax_trunk$ gcc -o target_functions/c_chi2.os -c
>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/include/python2.7
>>> -arch ppc -fPIC target_functions/c_chi2.c
>>>
>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>
>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:64:
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h:655:2: error: Unsupported architecture
>>>
>>> #error Unsupported architecture
>>>
>>>  ^
>>>
>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>
>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:67:
>>>
>>> In file included from /usr/include/_types.h:27:
>>>
>>> In file included from /usr/include/sys/_types.h:33:
>>>
>>> /usr/include/machine/_types.h:34:2: error: architecture not supported
>>>
>>> #error architecture not supported
>>>
>>>  ^
>>>
>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>
>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:67:
>>>
>>> In file included from /usr/include/_types.h:27:
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:94:9: error: unknown type name '__int64_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __int64_t       __darwin_blkcnt_t;      /* total blocks */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:95:9: error: unknown type name '__int32_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __int32_t       __darwin_blksize_t;     /* preferred block size */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:96:9: error: unknown type name '__int32_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __int32_t       __darwin_dev_t;         /* dev_t */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:99:9: error: unknown type name '__uint32_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __uint32_t      __darwin_gid_t;         /* [???] process and
>>> group IDs */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:100:9: error: unknown type name '__uint32_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __uint32_t      __darwin_id_t;          /* [XSI] pid_t, uid_t,
>>> or gid_t*/
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:101:9: error: unknown type name '__uint64_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __uint64_t      __darwin_ino64_t;       /* [???] Used for 64
>>> bit inodes */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:107:9: error: unknown type name 
>>> '__darwin_natural_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __darwin_natural_t __darwin_mach_port_name_t; /* Used by mach */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:109:9: error: unknown type name '__uint16_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __uint16_t      __darwin_mode_t;        /* [???] Some file 
>>> attributes */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:110:9: error: unknown type name '__int64_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __int64_t       __darwin_off_t;         /* [???] Used for file 
>>> sizes */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:111:9: error: unknown type name '__int32_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __int32_t       __darwin_pid_t;         /* [???] process and
>>> group IDs */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:131:9: error: unknown type name '__uint32_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __uint32_t      __darwin_sigset_t;      /* [???] signal set */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:132:9: error: unknown type name '__int32_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __int32_t       __darwin_suseconds_t;   /* [???] microseconds */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:133:9: error: unknown type name '__uint32_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __uint32_t      __darwin_uid_t;         /* [???] user IDs */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:134:9: error: unknown type name '__uint32_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __uint32_t      __darwin_useconds_t;    /* [???] microseconds */
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>
>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:71:
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types/_va_list.h:31:9: error: unknown type name
>>> '__darwin_va_list'; did you mean '__builtin_va_list'?
>>>
>>> typedef __darwin_va_list va_list;
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> note: '__builtin_va_list' declared here
>>>
>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>
>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:72:
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types/_size_t.h:30:9: error: unknown type name
>>> '__darwin_size_t'; did you mean '__darwin_ino_t'?
>>>
>>> typedef __darwin_size_t        size_t;
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:103:26: note: '__darwin_ino_t' declared here
>>>
>>> typedef __darwin_ino64_t __darwin_ino_t;        /* [???] Used for inodes */
>>>
>>>                          ^
>>>
>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>
>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:434:
>>>
>>> /usr/include/sys/_types/_ssize_t.h:30:9: error: unknown type name
>>> '__darwin_ssize_t'
>>>
>>> typedef __darwin_ssize_t        ssize_t;
>>>
>>>         ^
>>>
>>> 19 errors generated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Troels Emtekær Linnet
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/12/2 Edward d'Auvergne <edw...@nmr-relax.com>:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> From that it looks like you can compile for all three architectures!
>>>> Ok, maybe try the following then:
>>>>
>>>> $ gcc -o target_functions/c_chi2.os -c
>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/include/python2.7
>>>> -arch i386 -fPIC target_functions/c_chi2.c
>>>> $ gcc -o target_functions/c_chi2.os -c
>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/include/python2.7
>>>> -arch ppc -fPIC target_functions/c_chi2.c
>>>> $ gcc -o target_functions/c_chi2.os -c
>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/include/python2.7
>>>> -arch x86_64 -fPIC target_functions/c_chi2.c
>>>>
>>>> Which of these gives the error message?  You obviously have partially
>>>> functional cross-compiler but one of these architectures is broken!  I
>>>> also don't like the 'Clang' messages.  Normally the error message will
>>>> show gcc, not clang.  Maybe try running:
>>>>
>>>> $ gcc -v
>>>>
>>>> This is just to be sure that this is gcc and not clang pretending to be 
>>>> gcc.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Edward
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 December 2013 18:11, Troels Emtekær Linnet <tlin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Edward.
>>>>>
>>>>> I get:
>>>>>
>>>>> tlinnet@linmac:~$ gcc -arch i386
>>>>> clang: error: no input files
>>>>> tlinnet@linmac:~$ gcc -arch ppc
>>>>> clang: error: no input files
>>>>> tlinnet@linmac:~$ gcc -arch x86_64
>>>>> clang: error: no input files
>>>>>
>>>>> So it seems that is possible.
>>>>> I have installed xcode, where the preferences show that
>>>>> Command line tools: Xcode 5.0.2 (5A3005) is installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as the simple fix is to change that line, it is fine for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could one get some inspiration from the blender project?
>>>>> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Building_Blender/Linux/scons
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Troels
>>>>>
>>>>> Troels Emtekær Linnet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/12/2 Edward d'Auvergne <edw...@nmr-relax.com>:
>>>>>> Hi Troels,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This change is not really a solution as that will prevent me from
>>>>>> compiling the universal binaries required for the Mac app
>>>>>> (http://www.nmr-relax.com/download.html#Mac_OS_X).  What is rather
>>>>>> needed is a reliable way of detecting which target architectures gcc
>>>>>> on the Mac can compile for.  You can see from the code that it will
>>>>>> run:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $ gcc -arch i386
>>>>>> $ gcc -arch ppc
>>>>>> $ gcc -arch x86_64
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This then checks for the text "no input files" which is only printed
>>>>>> for supported architectures.  If you run these commands yourself, what
>>>>>> do you see?  This should give error messages for all non-supported
>>>>>> architectures.  There might be however a cleaner way of performing
>>>>>> this, however there doesn't seem to be a standard way on Mac OS X that
>>>>>> I can find.  I really don't know why your gcc is printing "no input
>>>>>> files" for each of these but then failing to compile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edward
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2 December 2013 17:19, Troels Emtekær Linnet <tlin...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Edward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For a long time I thought it was a problem with xcode.
>>>>>>> And I have tried alot...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it was simple, I just altered the archs, and it worked.
>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>>     def det_arch(self):
>>>>>>>         """Nasty hack to make Scons behave properly with
>>>>>>> cross-compilation on Mac OS X!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         @return:    The list of CPU architects to cross compile.
>>>>>>>         @rtype:     list of str
>>>>>>>         """
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         # The list of archectures to try.
>>>>>>>         #archs = ['i386', 'ppc', 'x86_64']
>>>>>>>         archs = ['x86_64']
>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Troels Emtekær Linnet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/12/2 Edward d'Auvergne <edw...@nmr-relax.com>:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what is happening here.  This normally works.  Maybe you
>>>>>>>> should look at the det_arch() method in the 'sconstruct' script, as
>>>>>>>> that is the likely failure point.  I would guess that it is not able
>>>>>>>> to correctly determine the supported architectures on your system.
>>>>>>>> This has worked on numerous Macs before, so maybe there is something
>>>>>>>> different with the setup (Xcode is a likely culprit).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Edward
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 December 2013 23:33, Troels Emtekær Linnet <tlin...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Edward.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried compiling relax on mac OS X Mavericks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Should I in some way specify which kernel to build for?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I get these errors:
>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>> linmac:relax_trunk tlinnet$ scons
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> scons: Reading SConscript files ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> scons: done reading SConscript files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> scons: Building targets ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ###########################
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> # Compiling the C modules #
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ###########################
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Building the relaxation curve fitting module 
>>>>>>>>> 'target_functions/relax_fit.so'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> gcc -o target_functions/c_chi2.os -c
>>>>>>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/include/python2.7
>>>>>>>>> -arch i386 -arch ppc -arch x86_64 -fPIC target_functions/c_chi2.c
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:64:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h:655:2: error: Unsupported architecture
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #error Unsupported architecture
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:67:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from /usr/include/_types.h:27:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from /usr/include/sys/_types.h:33:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/machine/_types.h:34:2: error: architecture not supported
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #error architecture not supported
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:67:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from /usr/include/_types.h:27:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:94:9: error: unknown type name '__int64_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __int64_t       __darwin_blkcnt_t;      /* total blocks */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:95:9: error: unknown type name '__int32_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __int32_t       __darwin_blksize_t;     /* preferred block 
>>>>>>>>> size */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:96:9: error: unknown type name '__int32_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __int32_t       __darwin_dev_t;         /* dev_t */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:99:9: error: unknown type name '__uint32_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __uint32_t      __darwin_gid_t;         /* [???] process and
>>>>>>>>> group IDs */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:100:9: error: unknown type name '__uint32_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __uint32_t      __darwin_id_t;          /* [XSI] pid_t, uid_t,
>>>>>>>>> or gid_t*/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:101:9: error: unknown type name '__uint64_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __uint64_t      __darwin_ino64_t;       /* [???] Used for 64
>>>>>>>>> bit inodes */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:107:9: error: unknown type name 
>>>>>>>>> '__darwin_natural_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __darwin_natural_t __darwin_mach_port_name_t; /* Used by mach 
>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:109:9: error: unknown type name '__uint16_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __uint16_t      __darwin_mode_t;        /* [???] Some file 
>>>>>>>>> attributes */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:110:9: error: unknown type name '__int64_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __int64_t       __darwin_off_t;         /* [???] Used for 
>>>>>>>>> file sizes */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:111:9: error: unknown type name '__int32_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __int32_t       __darwin_pid_t;         /* [???] process and
>>>>>>>>> group IDs */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:131:9: error: unknown type name '__uint32_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __uint32_t      __darwin_sigset_t;      /* [???] signal set */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:132:9: error: unknown type name '__int32_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __int32_t       __darwin_suseconds_t;   /* [???] microseconds 
>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:133:9: error: unknown type name '__uint32_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __uint32_t      __darwin_uid_t;         /* [???] user IDs */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:134:9: error: unknown type name '__uint32_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __uint32_t      __darwin_useconds_t;    /* [???] microseconds 
>>>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:71:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types/_va_list.h:31:9: error: unknown type name
>>>>>>>>> '__darwin_va_list'; did you mean '__builtin_va_list'?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __darwin_va_list va_list;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> note: '__builtin_va_list' declared here
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:72:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types/_size_t.h:30:9: error: unknown type name
>>>>>>>>> '__darwin_size_t'; did you mean '__darwin_ino_t'?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __darwin_size_t        size_t;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types.h:103:26: note: '__darwin_ino_t' declared here
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __darwin_ino64_t __darwin_ino_t;        /* [???] Used for 
>>>>>>>>> inodes */
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                          ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from target_functions/c_chi2.c:20:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:434:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /usr/include/sys/_types/_ssize_t.h:30:9: error: unknown type name
>>>>>>>>> '__darwin_ssize_t'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> typedef __darwin_ssize_t        ssize_t;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         ^
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 19 errors generated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> scons: *** [target_functions/c_chi2.os] Error 1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> scons: building terminated because of errors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> linmac:relax_trunk tlinnet$
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Troels Emtekær Linnet
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> relax (http://www.nmr-relax.com)
>>>>>>>>>
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