On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:28:06 am Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Tom Albers wrote: > > At Tuesday 25 September 2007 15:17, you wrote: > > > as for Konqueror ... we have a file manager that is in good shape, we > > > need a power user browser and a web browser (konqi currently fills both > > > of those). should we hold up 4.0 for it? i don't know. > > > > Yep. It has been defined as a goal which needs to be completed in the beta > > period. > > > > > on a related note i finally got a chance to look through the page on > > > techbase and saw that kmail was noted as a showstopper. i wonder what > > > happened to the "people can run kde3's kdepim apps in kde4" consensus of > > > just a few months ago to result in kmail becoming a *showstopper* for > > > 4.0? > > > > Kmail is added to the list as it makes sure a basic set of libraries is > > correctly functioning. We can not release with broken kio, or broken > > certificate handling, identities broken, mailtransport lib not working and > > everything else kmail makes use of. > > and the only way we have of testing those things is an entire application for > which there may not be the develper resources for? > > let's see: > > - kio => how about just about every kde app out there? > - cert handling => khtml? > - identities => i assume you mean the address book? that one might be a bit > more difficult, yes > - mailtransport => does this really matter if we don't have kde4 mail apps? > > really it seems a bit back asswards to say "we need to ship this app to prove > that the libs that it uses are ok" ;) > > there are also tests in some of these libs; mailtransport has a little gui > app > for testing as well. obviously automatically run unit tests would be great, > but obviously we probably don't have the resources to whip up as many as we'd > need. still ... it seems that we have other options than kmail here. > > marking things all over the place as "showstoppers" may seem responsible from > a release perspective,
we are the "release team" after all. so it seems reasonable to look at things from a "release perspective". > but .. yeah. kmail and kate as "showstoppers", given > the purpose and scope of 4.0 as a release along with our goals (e.g. > releasing in a reasonable time frame versus allowing ourselves to endlessly > delay things), seem a bit odd to me. > You also need to balance having a release that is somewhat useful to somebody. If all we want is a pretty desktop without any useful apps then we have the KDE Development Platform out by 30Oct and we are done. _______________________________________________ release-team mailing list [email protected] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
