On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:50:04 am Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Allen Winter wrote: > > On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:28:06 am Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > > On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Tom Albers wrote: > > > > At Tuesday 25 September 2007 15:17, you wrote: > > > marking things all over the place as "showstoppers" may seem responsible > > > from a release perspective, > > > > we are the "release team" after all. > > so it seems reasonable to look at things from a "release perspective". > > indeed; however, it is not the only perspective and i'm trying to help > provide > some other perspectives as well. combined, we may make better decisions. > > > > but .. yeah. kmail and kate as "showstoppers", given > > > the purpose and scope of 4.0 as a release along with our goals (e.g. > > > releasing in a reasonable time frame versus allowing ourselves to > > > endlessly delay things), seem a bit odd to me. > > > > You also need to balance having a release that is somewhat useful > > to somebody. If all we want is a pretty desktop without any useful > > apps then we have the KDE Development Platform out by 30Oct > > and we are done. > > are you seriously suggesting that KDE without kmail and kate constitutes a > desktop "without any useful apps"?
No, of course not. > there's a balance point somewhere in here. Sure. Not so easy to figure out. > and as i said in my first email, i thought we'd already achieved consensus > that said "running kde3 kdepim apps is fine for 4.0, with the goal of having > kde4 pim apps ready for prime time in 4.1"? so i'm seeing a slippage here in > our consensus that seems to be endangering our ability to release in a > suitable time frame. > We did. I'm only arguing for a tweak to that plan: whereby we decide on a few of our more famous, critical apps (eg. konq, dolphin, kmail, kate) that we ensure are functional before we release 4.0.0. And when I say "functional" I don't mean 100% bug-free. But the app can be used on a daily basis without pulling out all your hair. > (though i was just using kate this morning to see how good it is and it seems > to not be seriously broken atm? =) > kate is looking pretty darn good. kmail is useless right now, but I'm hoping the KDAB army comes to the rescue soon. -Allen _______________________________________________ release-team mailing list [email protected] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
