On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 11:56:53PM -0700, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Sunday 11 November 2007, Torsten Rahn wrote: > > > Let's just do RC1 and get this thing out the door. I'm tired of > > > watching the release date slip and we don't do anything for the > > > project by allowing it to slip further. > > > > > > We _need_ to get a release out the door. > > > > Wrong attitude at this point of time. We are almost there and don't need to > > jump the gun (that's what you suggest). > > i think there's a happy middle ground (see bottom for that however) > > > Let's carefully review whether all showstoppers for an RC1 have been > > solved. > > of course, our show stoppers themselves are somewhat funny (as in "they smell > funny ... ") since last time i looked we did no have anything about the > keyboard shortcuts control panel not working at all (though this has had the > side effect of getting me used to the kde defaults again ;) while we do have > some pretty minor showstoppers. > > that said, in plasma: > > i'm dangerously close to having resizable and movable panels. they'll be done > this week. multiple panels are there, xrandr works, xinerama works. taskbar > and systray both need bugfixes; i wont get to working on those until next > week, however. (i figure i only need 2 days to get the panel stuff done, > which means it'll take a week ;). > > then it's the Desktop folder legacy support, event related bug fixes (e.g. > dragging / moving icons), triaging the last feature patches (e.g. the hover > buttons, which are there but a bit buggy atm) and the welcome applet. > > which reminds me, i'd like to remove ktip-the-application when the welcome > applet is added, since it will show daily tips .. and without the annoying, > work interupting window and without the overhead of another app starting. =) > > krush days are proving really good at catching regressions as they happen as > well. those people hold my feet to the fire pretty good ;) > > > If this is the case then I'm indeed all for releasing RC1. If this > > is not the case then we should either consider postponing tagging for a > > week or we should just go for releasing Beta5 instead. At this point of > > time it's clearly obvious that we don't need to fear that it will take > > eternally to get KDE4 out of the door. > > > > I think it would be helpful if the release dude would ask the people > > p.s. the "release dude" is deprecated now that we have a release team ;) but > yeah, someone needs to do it. > > > involved with the last few showstoppers when those showstoppers will be > > fixed. Based on that we should decide how to proceed. I remember that this > > was done for earlier releases. It helped to make people commit themselves > > to get the release out of the door soon while at the same time making sure > > that we'd adhere to our quality standards. > > this makes more sense to me: a ballance between "well, let's just slip the > date without putting any pressure on our work schedule" and "let's stick to > the schedule regardless of what we've accomplished". > > right now i'm very concerned that right now we are letting our release dates > slip far too easily. because we don't really ask what is actually possible, > things drift. i've been as guilty of this as anyone. it has to stop. like, > yesterday. ;) > > we should really strive to make a december release if at all possible (for so > many reasons which we've gone over so many times now), and that may well mean > a big final push. >
+2 for me, as this is basically what I meant, but did a pretty crappy job of describing it. -- Matt _______________________________________________ release-team mailing list [email protected] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team
