On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:35:54 Àlex Fiestas wrote: > On Tuesday 29 April 2014 19:23:07 Scott Kitterman wrote: > > For non-rolling distros, at some point you have to stop and release. A mix > > of new features and bug fixes aren't going to be allowed in. > > > > We (Kubuntu) have been delivering KDE SC point releases as post-release > > updates to our users for most (maybe all) KDE4 releases. That's over with > > KF5. > > > > We'll, I guess, have to settle for cherry picking fixes and doing our > > best. > > You might not know this but most developers don't do proper testing in the > stable branches because the cost of having master and stable environments > and doing testing in both branches for each fix is too much, we simply > don't have the manpower for that. > > History has shown this maaaany times, we have done point releases that were > horrible quality-wise because nobody was testing them. The stable branches > have virtually no users. > > I have been told by you (at UDS) and by many others packagers that our point > releases suck, that we introduce huge regressions etc. The above paragraph > explains the reason. > > We have to be realistic here, upstream does NOT have the manpower to > maintain more than one release. > > So, I honestly think that if we work together you can do a better work > cherry- picking than we can. Also we should develop tools to make your life > easier.
We test the point releases before we ship them to end users. Sometimes we find regressions. It happens. I'm pretty sure I didn't say the suck. I've invested a lot of hours of my free time both getting approval to ship them post release and packaging them as well. I wouldn't have done that if I thought they sucked. I'm well aware of the amount of testing the stable branches get. That's why we do the testing we do before we ship them. I can't recall the last time we had end user complaints of a regression after a stable update has been released to end users. I think the best tool to make our life easier would be maintenance branches. If you only want to have one every 3 - 6 KF5 releases, fine. Scott K _______________________________________________ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team