On Tuesday 20 May 2014 08:00:43 Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 08:04:59 Kevin Ottens wrote: > > On Monday 19 May 2014 22:28:27 Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > Speaking as a packager for a distro that's in group #2, I don't see this > > > as > > > any change from your initial proposal. > > > > That's correct... > > > > > You're proposal moves us into group #1 > > > > ... which is what I stated I think. > > > > Chosen extracts: > > > > Going forward I see four options for addressing those packagers: > > > > 1) Don't care, which means we're pushing them toward the case 1, > > > > they'll > > > > release outdated versions with hand picked patches on top; > > > > 2) Gain the necessary trust of our downstream to show that our new > > > > releases are not less stable than our former bug fix releases; > > > > 3) Provide a yearly LTS branch as I've seen proposed; > > > > 4) Provide release branches for which we commit backports. > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > So, even though I understand why it wouldn't please packagers, I don't > > > > think we should change course overall. So the tactic we'll follow is > > > > (1) > > > > hoping to get to (2). > > > > Indeed, if we don't change course, I expect the distributions will all > > > > move to a scheme of backporting. That's unfortunate, but hopefully, > > > > we'll > > > > manage to gain the required trust to prove that the releases are not > > > > less > > > > stable than the former bug fix releases > > > > So it's not that I don't understand, I completely see what will happen at > > first. > > > > Now, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on something. You believe > > there's some rule written in stone somewhere which will make the "everyone > > will pile up backports only" the new status quo forever, I say let's try > > and find out. > > I make no prediction about other distros, only mine. You started this go at > the topic by saying that packagers don't understand what developers deal > with and developers don't understand what packagers deal with and we had to > try and cross that bridge. Given that you're on the developer end of that > divide, why do you keep insisting you know better what will happen in my > distro that I do?
I never said I knew better, actually I'm pretty sure I don't. OTOH I'm sure that polarizing the situation as much isn't going to help figure out the real outcome. Also, I happen to have discussed with other packagers[*] before sending the email of yesterday who have a different opinion than you do, so it can't be labeled as our fate yet. Especially since we generally tend to do a bad job at predictions. Regards. [*] Some of them working on the same distribution than you. -- Kévin Ottens, http://ervin.ipsquad.net KDAB - proud supporter of KDE, http://www.kdab.com
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