At 10:20 AM 10/17/04, you wrote:

>Hello to the group.
>
>Can anyone tell me if the Syntor X 9000 will actually cover 6
>and 10 meters at the same time (not duplexing) without
>serious degradation on tx or rx performance?

Yes

>Also, someone is trying to tell me that these radios have an
>automatic antenna tuning unit in them???

NO - that's why Moto came up with the dual mobile antenna
system that I documented at
<http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/ant-sys-index.html>

>Our leader has programmed several and they do seem to work,

The mental image of Boris and Natasha's "Fearless Leader" came
to mind (am I dating myself?   check out "Rocky and Bullwinkle
on late-night cable)

>allthough, I haven't put one on the service monitor to see what
>the real performance is like.
>
>Additionally, has anyone ever used a pair of these to make a
>repeater?

Not enough heat sink.  Get a Micor base.  A complete 100w
47MHz micor repeater less cabinet went from someone in So
Cal for under $114 on ebay a day or so ago (Item number:
5724645262).  There was also an ex-mountie 136-150 MHz
Micor repeater from someone in Canada.

>Our ARES group just recieved a bunch of these (most
>without control cables)

They're going to be hard to come up with.

>and our zealous leader thinks we need to move to Low Band.

6m or 10m?  There are only 4 (if I remember correctly) repeat
pairs on 10m.  In most areas there are 6m pairs available.

Either way, if you need in-building penetration you'll be sorry.

>I am just looking for some facts before I shoot my mouth
>off. I am trying to convince the ARES group that we need
>to stick to our VHF and UHF interests and not complicate
>things further with low band.

If the VHF/UHF works, why dilute the available technical
resources across another band?

>A friend and I have 6 meter box that works extremely
>well but I still think we should focus on shorter
>wavelengths. ;-)

There's a reason the L.A. County Sheriff went from 39mhz
to UHF.  It's called in-building penetration.

There's a reason the CHP is staying on low band and
even snapped up the Sheriff's channels and converted their
43mhz dispatch channels into full repeat.  They need the
wide-open-spaces long range coverage that 330w base
stations and 100w low band mobiles have (especially with
high band mobile extenders that let the officers use a HT
on 154.905 to talk through their cars back to the dispatchers
while out on a traffic stop, out to lunch or to a bathroom break)

If fearless leader is still convinced that 6m is a good idea,
and you have a 6m repeater, you could put a receiver (or
even a full transciever) on the current channel and let
fearless leader use a low band mobile to convince himself
that they need to keep the VHF / UHF system.  Done properly
a low band system can be an adjunct to a VHF/UHF system.

If the add-a low-band port idea works out, I'd think about
grabbing a 6m Micor base off of eBay - maybe contact
the seller of that last one and ask him to contact you if
he comes across any more.

>Feel free to reply off list if you wish.
>
>Thanks in advance.     John Everson    ab6li

Mike WA6ILQ





 
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