Thanks for the reply Kevin-
 
-------Subject repeaters will have to remain unnamed as I currently enjoy a good relationship with their point of origin and I want very much to keep the situation that way. I will say however that transmitter circuit wise , they are esentially the same as those produced by Spectrum and I have a couple of them too. I other words, a simple crystal oscillator (with an audio modulated varicap modulating the crystal capacitance) followed by a multiplyer string and final amplifier-----ie, no PLL's. The difference in the modulation (FM) noise of of the subject repeaters and others is noticable via a  monitoring receiver-----some repeaters are quieter than others and I'm not talking about RF quieting----I'm talking about differences in audible background hiss assuming a "full quieting" strong RF signal. Do you have any ideas as to where the "hiss" modulation might be coming from. I think it is random phase noise in the crystal oscillator but I can't point at the problem part or design problem and am wondering if the crystal it's self could be my noise source.
 
Scott
 
 
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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crystal Phase Noise?

Scott wrote:
Hello All----
 
Here is a "crystal" question for the group. Do crystals vary in the amount of random phase noise produced in or by a typical crystal oscillator / FM modulator circuit as used in a typical repeater transmitter? Now, more to the issue. I have a series of repeaters that have more transmitted background audio hiss than the average of other repeaters on the band. I have, in testing, dissabled all of the audio modulating circuitry up to the varicap diode without any change in transmitted noise . This leaves only the crystal and it's oscillator circuit as the culprit noise source-------hence my question. Do crystals vary in produced FM (phase) noise. If the answer is yes, Which crystal manufactures make quiet crystals and just how does one insure that he gets this need across to a crystal supplier?

I don't believe the crystal or oscillator is to blame, but I could be wrong.  What make and model of equipment are you dealing with?  Is it true FM or phase modulated?

Kevin Custer














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