At 3/12/2005 06:43 PM, you wrote:

>--- Laryn Lohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Al Wolfe"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >     I've always thought "good quality RG-8X" was
> > an oxymoron.
> > >
> > > < use good quality RG-8X type cable for....>
> > >
> > > Al, K9SI
> >
> > Right Al, an oxymoron especially when used in duplex
> > service.  Any
> > braided coax used in duplex service should be silver
> > plated braid.
> >
> > Message 48346 from just a couple of days ago spells
> > out some of the
> > grief to be found when using RG-8X or any other
> > non-silver plated
> > cable in duplex service.  Good job Bob!
> >
> > Laryn K8TVZ
>
>I would mostly agree with this statement, but the
>person asking about this is looking for answers that
>will work in a specific application. I have used RG-8X
>and even RG-58 with excellent results in duplex
>systems, especially when the power is relatively low.

The 2 systems I reported on run 15 & 22 watts, respectively.  Given the 
level of desense I observed, you would have run less than 2 watts at most, 
maybe a lot less.

>I suppose the thing to do would be to use a DB-420 and
>7/8 inch heliax, but this would be impractical for
>most mobile/portable repeater setups.

I have run into this same problem with my 2 meter portapeater.  In fact the 
first time I observed it was when testing a 3 element yagi that initially 
had a 10 foot RG-8X jumper on it.  I ended up replacing that jumper with 
RG-142.  Regarding the main feed, I tried using 45' of LMR-400 & had good 
luck with it, but that's probably only because the shield RF currents 
stayed on the foil shield.  If a break ever develops in that foil or the RF 
"folds over" at a connector, you're doomed for desense.  In my case, my 
guess is that any RF current near the antenna radiated off of the outer 
shield of the 10' RG-142 section, which is OK because it's silver 
plated.  By the time the RF got to the RG-142/LMR-400 junction, enough of 
it had radiated away that the outer tin-plated braid of the LMR-400 wasn't 
an issue.  My theory, anyway.  If correct, a better solution would be a 
common-mode choke on the RG-142 to keep RF from getting to the LMR-400's 
braid.  Yet another choice would have been to simply use RG-214 for the 
entire antenna run, since it's loss at 2 meters is acceptable for lengths < 
40 ft. or so.

Bob NO6B






 
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