Well Mostly correct there, I've got the power back up, still not full bore,
but did find out why the power was coming up slowly, it was the exciter, one
of the coils was loose, fixed it and power back up, but still missing some.
200 in for 120 out, so not quite there yet.  Might see about the cables, I
think they were originally cut for 147 Mhz, might need to be changed to get
a better match.  I'm gonna call TX-RX tomorrow and inquire about them.

Thanks.

Mathew


-----Original Message-----
From: Mr John Lloyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: w9mwq
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer Issue again! I'm confussed or Lost


Message: 24        
   Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:12:14 -0000
   From: "w9mwq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Duplexer Issue again!  I'm confussed or Lost

> Ok, I'm sure these duplexers are tuned correctly,
but > here is what is happening.  If I inject 1.5
watts    > into the transmit side of this duplexer I
get about  > 95% of that back, with about 1.4 watts
from the      > duplexer.  Then I pump 130 watts into
the duplexer    > and only get 60 watts back.  Why
such the loss with  > the higher power?

One possibility is that your transmitter is not
matched to the Duplexer with the jumper cable you used
to hook them up with. Perhaps your 120 watt
transmitter is folding back and reducing power with
the mismatch. Another thought is that your 120
transmitter may be spurious and the filtering of the
duplexer is reducing these spurious emmissions. Did
you check your transmitter with a spectrum Analyzer to
verify it is not spurious? 

> Transmitter and amp are both ok on a dummy load,    
> looks good on the spectrum analyzer, no problem     
> there.  The amp is rated 2 watts in for 200 watts   
> out.  I put in 1.5 watts, to get the 130 watts out, 
 > that is fine.  Other part that I am confused with, 
 > the amp into a dummy load, starts out at 100 watts 
 > and then gradually creeps upto 130 watts over about
 > 30 seconds.  Current draw on the power supply is 18
 > amps, from a 70 amp astron.  Could it be that the  
 > power supply is slowing giving juice to the amp,   
 > kinda like the caps might be weak?  Any thoughts?

Mathew

It sounds like either the power control circuit in
your 120 watt pa is drifting when transmitting or your
power supply is drifting higher in voltage when it
warms up. 

You could have an unstable power control circuit in
your PA. You did not say what model of transmitter you
were using.

The other possibility is that your Astron power supply
could be increasing in voltage over time when it warms
up from use.

To check this, use a digital voltmeter and watch the
13.8 volts at the 120 watt Amplifier end and record
the voltage when you first transmit and then watch it
to see if it creeps upward when it is putting out 120
watts 30 seconds later.

Another possibility is that the wires between the
power supply and PA are too small of gauge and are
heating up when you transmit. Usually the power output
drops in this case. You should be using 8 guage wires
or larger depending on how long they are.

John, K7JL



                
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