A lot depends on the performance of the tone decoder you use. I have a 
couple of repeaters using Zetron 38A controllers that detect the tone 
way down in the noise, and one of them is operating with the squelch 
open so it is only controlled by the tone. It will stay keyed reliably 
with no discernible voice coming through, just sounds like open squelch 
noise. But in fact there is a weak signal there transmitting the 
correct tone. The only problem that I have with that is the long open 
squelch burst at the end of each transmission.

So, depending on your tone detector performance, you will probably get 
reliable operation down into the noise with the tone detector only 
controlling your repeater.

73 - Jim W5ZIT

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Tone squelch vs. carrier squelch

Ok, I know all the usual reasons for using input tones on a repeater,
but I have more of a theoretical performance question. Again, I'm
putting together a portable VHF repeater out of a pair of Icom mobiles
(IC-F121) for search-and-rescue use. Since it's for temporary,
emergency use, my primary concern is weak-signal performance,
particularly being able to hear someone out in the field with a 5W
handheld and a rubber duck. Here's my question: For the best chance
of allowing my repeater to hear that weak signal, am I better off
using an input tone and turning the receiver squelch way down (perhaps
even all the way), or using no input tone and plain old carrier
squelch (at a higher level)? I'll almost certainly end up using a
receive tone on this thing anyway just to minimize interference
potential, but it seems to me that doing so might help improve my
"ears" as well. Comments?

Brian
K9JVA
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