At 06:24 PM 03/07/07, you wrote:
>On 3/6/07, Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Every user radio in my commercial fleet has the TOT set for 30 
> seconds.  In
> > > my mind, that's more than enough time to get any important 
> message across.
> > > Unfortunately, many Hams think otherwise...
>
>Many hams think otherwise, because it's HAM radio -- not commercial.  :-)
>
>I can't think of how you'd conduct a typical ham radio Net with 30
>second timers without sounding rediculous.

The 146.82 repeater in Los Angeles has been on a 30 second timer since
the late 1960s.  30 seconds is longer than you think - you can get a lot
of info across in that much time if you think before you start talking.

>Just telling the members of whatever organization is meeting what the
>organization is, how to contact them, and any announcements would
>certainly take longer than that.

Who says you can't unkey occasionally?

> > That's not a bad idea. I'd probably want to set it at 120 seconds; one
> > of the repeaters I grew up using had a 4-minute timer.
>
>We've used 3 minutes on our machines for a very long time... most
>folks are used to it.  We have a "Net mode" on repeaters that host
>Nets that extends the timer out further and leaves the transmitter
>keyed full-time.
>
> > I program most of my radios for 300 seconds or five minutes, just in
> > case of stuck keys.
>
>Sometimes in a big ragchew where lots of questions are being asked or
>a complex topic being discussed, I've hit the 3 minute timer myself...
>and my radios are programmed to unkey in 3 minutes, so it's a race
>between the controller's view of "3 minutes" and my radio's.

Grin. Been there.  That's why my radios are set for a few seconds less
than the controllers.

>In my view, the only purpose of the timeout timers in a properly built
>repeater (capable of 100% duty-cycle 24/7) is to allow everyone to
>have a turn... there's no technical reason for a timeout timer on a
>repeater that's properly monitored and maintained.  Interference and
>accidental key-downs without an ID dictate a 10 minute timer, but
>that's about it...

So true.

>If the repeater isn't built for 100% duty-cycle, it's not ready to do
>our primary mission of emergency communications -- but that's just my
>view...

Totally agree.  To me, burning in a new repeater includes flipping the
"Force PTT" switch for at least 72 hours.  If it's someone elses buildout
that doesn't have one, I add it, or use a rubber band on the local mic PTT.

>Nate WY0X

Mike WA6ILQ


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