At 3/14/2007 17:01, you wrote:

>You completely missed the point. It's not up to the repeater to fix user
>problems. Yes, it would be nice if all hams could properly maintain
>their equipment. It would be nice if they could install a 3-wire CTCSS
>encoder that has +, ground, and audio out. It would even be nice if all
>hams knew how to actually operate their equipment.
>---> But enough with fantasy-land <---

This is an issue where there are clearly 2 camps & neither is IMO clearly 
right or wrong.  In regards to my own system, I agree: goesouta = goesinna 
except for necessary CTCSS stripping at the link hub TX.  However, adding 
quality processing can certainly add value to the system in improving 
users' intelligibility.  An excellent example is Jeff DePolo's linked 
system in eastern PA.  It's been a few years since I've driven through that 
area, but I remember how good it sounded even when the output signal was 
near the 12 dB SINAD point in my TM-G707 mobile.

As far as "flat audio" goes, I consider the links in my system to have 
"flat audio" even though the TXs use phase modulators.  What I do is begin 
the RX deemphasis curve around the low end of the CTCSS range (50-60 Hz), & 
apply the TX audio directly to the CG input (phase modulator).  This 
results in a "flat" response from 60 Hz all the way up to beyond 4-5 
kHz.  Not quite as good as direct FM due to the low-end PM distortion 
problems documented by Dave Karr a while back, but at UHF with the higher 
multiplication factor, it's acceptable to me.  Certainly easier not having 
to worry about pre-emphasizing every non-radio audio source (tone 
generators, speech synthesizers, autopatches, etc.) as you need to do with 
the "unprocessed audio" repeater controller.

Bob NO6B


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