Gary,

That is very good information. 

We're going back up to the site today and will try that method.

>
> Hook your signal generator up to your system at the antenna port 
and measure
> receiver sensitivity with and without the preamp. Then with the 
preamp in
> circuit start adding attenuation between the preamp and the 
receiver. When
> you just start to loose sensitivity stop adding attenuation. That 
should
> give you near optimum sensitivity without excessive gain. Too much 
gain in
> the preamp overloads the receiver mixer and front end amp if it has 
one. 
> 
> For every db of gain you add in front of the receiver you reduce 
the IM
> performance of the receiver.
> 
> You only want enough preamp gain to overcome the noise figure of the
> receiver. Although the noise figure of the receiver and preamp are
> cumulative the preamp is the biggest contributor in setting system 
noise
> figure. In other words putting a hot preamp on a very hot receiver 
will give
> you a better overall noise figure than putting that same preamp on 
a poor
> receiver but the difference will not be great.
> 
> You may not be able to realize the full benefit of the preamp if 
you have
> excessive IM. You may have to add more attenuation to where it 
further
> reduces receiver sensitivity. When you get down to the point that 
the
> sensitivity is the same as it was without the preamp, then throw 
out the
> preamp. But you may be able to find a happy medium where the preamp 
does
> help some without destroying your IM performance.
> 
> If you still have excess IM problems you can add attenuation ahead 
of the
> preamp by raising the insertion loss of the loops on your band pass 
filter
> as others have suggested. By raising the insertion loss on the 
loops it does
> the same thing as adding an attenuator ahead of the preamp but with 
the
> added benefit of steeper skirts on the band pass filter.
> 
> By the way don't worry about adding adaptors between the preamp and
> receiver. After all you are looking to add attenuators anyway. But 
adaptors
> really make no measurable difference in attenuation at vhf or uhf. 
They may
> give a slight impedance mismatch but you probably don't have 
anything that
> will measure the small amount of loss from them.
> 
> 73
> Gary  K4FMX
> 

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