Skipp,

It is not just a cautious road to travel; it may also be an unnecessary one.
Since repeater coverage is primarily limited by its ability to receive the
low-powered distant stations, 250 watts of transmit power may be far in
excess of what is needed for a balanced system.  Even at sites where the
noise floor is very low, that much power hardly seems necessary.

Ironically, an increase to 250 watts from, say, 100 watts may result in
reduced receive sensitivity if the duplexer must be improved to handle the
higher power without desense.  The power increase may allow the repeater to
be heard full-quieting at a greater distance, perhaps a 20% increase, but
may also reduce the ability of distant stations to be heard full-quieting by
the repeater.  In other words, an increase in power might result in a
reduction in the coverage area.

I'm not just making this stuff up- I have seen it happen more than once.  At
one Ham repeater site, the previous owner of a repeater had a TE Systems
power amplifier set for about 150 watts hooked up to a Wacom 4-cavity
duplexer.  Even though the duplexer was perfectly tuned, it just couldn't
handle that power level without some desense, and the coverage area was
relatively small.  When I took out the TE amplifier and fed the 15 watt
driver directly to the duplexer, the coverage area ballooned to at least
five times its previous distance.  Some of the Hams who now were able to use
the repeater from a considerable distance asked, "Wow!  What did you do-
triple the power output?"  They were floored when I responded, "No, I cut it
by a factor of ten!"

I make no claim that my experience is typical, but I do assert that "More is
not always better."  YMMV...

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
  

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From: [email protected]
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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:46 AM
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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TPL amplifier - aka repeater operation at
the 250 watt power level


> Does anyone have any experience with the TPL 250 watt 
> 2-meter amps for repeater use? 

Yep... 

> (bugs, reliability, operating manual/schematic availability).
> steve
> WA4BVO

Bugs - none 
Reliability - good 
Operating Manual - Normally supplied with unit at the time of sale. 
Schematic Availablity - Included within the manual although I have 
a number of TPL Amplifier Manuals available for free download off 
the www.radiowrench.com/sonic web page. 

A phone call to TPL with a valid credit card in hand always seems 
to produce results if you must have the exact manual for your 
specific amplifier. 

TPL-Amplifiers are about as generic as they come... repair is not 
a big deal if you're used to working with modest - moderate power 
rf stages. 

**** 

Sidebar: 

An increase to this relative higher power output level can be a 
cautious road to travel. A circulator and/or trouble control 
detection circuit is pretty much a must have. Little problems 
normally not an issue at operation below the 60/80 watt power 
level can quickly lead to an equipment melt down. There is very 
little fudge factor and always no free lunch with 250 Watt 
operation at/near 146 MHz. 

cheers, 
s. 



 


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