Joe,
Thanks for the reply. They are pass/notch. (Moto 1500 series)  Right
now the repeater is in a sight that should really work well (300ft
tower) but is in a hole topo wise, in right next to a hill.  So really
trying to get sensitivity out of the thing.  No desense, the best I
can tell.

Just in a noisy repeater shack that is pretty hard to hear the
"quieting" of the rx (have to use head phones...and is still pretty
hard to hear).  

Had a friend put it on his bench and really worked it well with his
service monitor.  I was just hoping to (and did somewhat by ear) match
it a little better to the repeater antenna and feedline.  

Have limited equipment myself (Cushman CE-5 and Moto s1327B ?,
CE-15...plus Moto test set) and was hoping for a "visual" to combat
the external noise factor.

BTW, I changed out the preamp from the P432VDA to a P432VDG.

BTW2, I need a UHF preselector for the Moto if someone has one for sale.

Thanks,
Robert

--- In [email protected], "Joe Burkleo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "georgiaskywarn" <kd4ydc@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ok on both from both Kevin's.
> > 
> > Do have a preamp in line.  Will try it out.
> > 
> > Now...can the test set not be used as a "scale" with a weak signal to
> > "touch up" the rx side of the dup.s?  Not wanting to mess with the
> > front end of the receiver.  Are you also saying I should see something
> > on meter setting 4+?
> > 
> > Is "tweaking" the cans not possible with the test set?  
> > Robert 
> > KD4YDC
> >
> Robert,
> 
> Position 4 if I remember correctly is the discriminator position, and
> should not be used for signal strength indication.
> 
> What you are asking about "tweaking the cans" depends on what type of
> duplexer you have. If it is a pass or pass/notch duplexer, you may be
> able to rock the pass tuning rods 5 to 10 degrees max to hear or see a
> difference. Preferably with a very weak signal. If you need to move
> the adjustment more than that, you have some more serious problems. Do
> not do this if you have a notch only duplexer. 
>  
> Also you can try and rock the transmit pass adjustments with a
> wattmeter in line, the same 5 to 10 degrees and see if the transmit
> power increases any. Often times if it is desense you are fighting by
> fine tuning the transmitter pass side you are also helping the
> receiver notch. Most duplexer tuning instructions caution you to not
> touch the notch of either side while transmitting, this is most often
> a recipe for disaster.
> 
> If you decide to twist on the duplexer make sure you have the preamp
> and all the proper cables in place or the tuning could change once you
> put the preamp back in. Sounds like you have a catch 22 situation, you
> need the preamp out to get a good valid meter position 5 indication
> and you need the preamp in to make sure it does not change the
> duplexer tuning when in-line. Depending on which brand of preamp you
> are using, you may or may not see a change. Some of them look pretty
> ugly on a return loss bridge, and may not present a true 50 ohm
> impedance to the duplexer or receiver.
> 
> A better way to do this is with a signal generator connected to a
> isolated tap or a isolated tee fitting on a wattmeter that is
> connected to the output of the duplexer and the antenna.
> 
> Good Luck,
> Joe - WA7JAW
>


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