On Sep 10, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Paul Plack wrote: > Perhaps someone of your obvious intellect and condescension can tell > me why > some messages won't let me delete extraneous text from the original > after I > start the reply. (Yes, I'm using Outlook Express...I'm not going to > use a > browser to go to Yahoo.)
Hmm, "obvious intellect and condescension"? LOL... you've never met me, Paul. I'm pretty much a dolt and condescention, nah. Just a VERY fast typist. I just said I don't like what bottom-posting does to the messages -- if a "tone" to the message is read into it by the reader, it's not in the words that were typed. I did read an article where researchers found that long e-mails were almost always seen as "negative" by the reader, no matter what their content was -- and I type fast -- so folks probably think everything I type is negative! HA! (For example, in person... you'd be able to see that my "bah!" at the beginning of the message wasn't a real "bah!" but a smiling joking "bah!" as in "humbug!" ... but of course, I made the mistake of not adding the customary smiley face to it. E-mail just sucks as a way to really communicate, unfortunately. Probably why I work for a videoconferencing and audioconferencing manufacturer, eh? Much harder to do all this via e-mail! But I haven't seen any videoconferences that are up 24/7 that talk about Repeater-Building! Not yet anyway! Once in a while I can use the audioconferencing bridge at work for ham meetings... it's useful... but they'd get nervous if we wanted a 24/7 meeting place for hams, I'm sure! GRIN! Too bad. Would be interesting to hear all your voices!) Here let me add some of these to THIS message... :-) ;-) etc... that's me. Smilin' Nate. It's just a hobby after all... this repeater stuff. People seem to know me on-air by my laugh, which is distinctive, I hear. I don't know... I just laugh. Anyway... okay on to computer tech support! (GRIN...) Someone's gonna chase us off of the list with this off-topic stuff here soon, so we better make this quick! As far as OE goes... as a long-time "computer guy" I *really* highly don't recommend it. It's had some serious security issues over the years as someone else also pointed out, and it's kinda buggy. But, I do understand the sentiment of wanting to use what you're used to, so no need to change -- just something to think about for a rainy day... try some of the alternatives. I'm a mixture of a Mac and PC guy and use Apple's "Mail" program (Mail.App for the Apple tech geeks) and Thunderbird on the PC now for many years. The feature set in T-bird plus the ability to load in plug-ins that do useful stuff, really sells it for me. As far as WHY it won't let you select some things, that's odd. Are you only trying with the mouse? You might try holding down the SHIFT key after putting the cursor above the thing you're trying to dump off, and pushing the down-arrow key to see if it can > I was able to chop yours as seen below, but most only allow > highlighting the > entire original message as if it was one character. Maybe this is > why many > replies aren't snipped? Interesting idea. Yahoo has lately been letting HTML mail through, and OE might be displaying some of the message as HTML/graphics or similar? It's really hard to tell from here. But it's really odd that it won't let you remove the text. Hmm. Don't know, really. Very strange. I see a lot of mixed HTML and text coming through a number of YahooGroups these days. I also know there's a "classic" mode for YahooGroups and a new "Advanced" mode that didn't really seem to add a whole lot of useful things, but the two don't "look" quite the same on the receiving end. I was playing with them, but didn't really analyze what it was... I didn't like the "look" of the Advanced setting, so I tried to turn all my groups back to the "Classic" setting, but missed a few... > At least I now know why so many messages come through the list with an > original message quoted, but no reply. Must be Yahoo is truncating the > messages above the replies. Interesting. I'm not sure they do that in both modes. Lately YahooGroups has been quite flakey -- as a moderator of some groups I get the complaints from folks when YahooGroups "forgets" to forward a message onto the list for days (and then it shows up) etc. Unfortunately, digging through the mail headers kindly sent by some folks to me hasn't really led to anything other than, "Yeah, one of their internal servers seems to have held onto the message for a while." Trying to contact Yahoo to ask them what happened is virtually impossible. YahooGroups is kinda a "you get what you pay for" proposition, and you do get quite a bit of "stuff" for free... having a "files" area for example, associated with a mailing list that all shares the same user login info and is integrated, is kinda nice. You can build similar things on your own server for mailing lists, but it's take a little bit o' this, and a little bit of that and integrate it all together, spending a bunch of time doing it... and probably not worth the effort. Oh well, about the top vs. bottom-posting thing, I'm almost sorry I brought it up -- it's been a debate on the Net since USENET went away as a common place to meet and talk about real topics, so... no big deal. I was hoping that quoting from "The Autocrat of the Breakfast Table" by Oliver Wendell Holmes was both a more "interesting" way to joke about my viewpoint on it and also a subtle hint that I was JOKING a bit. But it went WAY over the head of the first person to reply... who fired right off with "bs" as his only thought on the topic. I could joke again and remind him that since "bs" is an abbreviation, it should be correctly typed as "B.S." or maybe the more modern "BS" if punctuation rules have changed. But that seems like a losing battle, since the Internet and people struggling to even type on keyboards to communicate has all but killed traditional English writing styles. :-) (And here I thought it was bad that I use the "--" punctuation style that my English teachers hated so much, too often!! Okay, raise your hands if you know what ";" is really supposed to be used for in English writing!) There... that message should be long enough now that EVERYONE will think it's the MEANEST, NASTIEST, GRUMPIEST message they've ever received... if the researchers mentioned above were right! (HUGE SMILE, BIG GRIN, SMILEY FACES, LAUGHTER, HAVING FUN...) <-- That should cover my REAL emotional state!!! It's just an e-mail list, after all. Let's talk repeaters; repeaters are fun. (I snuck that ";" in there for those paying attention!) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X [EMAIL PROTECTED]
