I swear to God, #4 will make you go completely insane. Best fixes...
1. Lower output power. The distance-squared rule is your friend if you're mixing somewhere EXTERNAL to your system. 2. Move off the site. LOL! I loved Jeff's very politically correct... "You're on your own." on that one. Only if you've hunted and failed and hunted again and failed and hunted and failed, do you really get what he's saying there. :-) -- Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:14 -0400, "Jeff DePolo" <j...@broadsci.com> wrote: Seems to me the three most-likely causes of your problem are: 1. Antenna itself is bad/noisy. Substituting antennas may help rule this out. 2. Not enough isolation between radiating antenna and equipment. The 100' of horizontal separation may not be enough to keep the strong RF out of your equipment, effectively bypassing/negating the isolation your finely-tuned duplexer is attempting to provide. 3. Mis-match due to out-of-band antenna is causing other problems, possibly even transmitter going spurious. While I generally don't recommend using isolators or Z-matchers as band-aids to cure antenna ills, using one to help rule this out as possible cause might be helpful as a short-term experiment. 4. You mention "metal building", which conjures many bad memories of rooftop installations where all kinds of noise problems related to HVAC units, duct work, corrugated metal panels, metal screens/grills, ventilation stacks, cooling towers, etc. resulted in countless hours of time spent trying to reduce noise and passive intermod mixes. You're on your own on that one... --- Jeff WN3A > -----Original Message----- > From: [1]repeater-buil...@yahoogroups. com > [mailto:[2]repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tahrens301 > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:03 PM > To: [3]repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna SWR = Desense? > > > > Hi Joe, > > The repeater/duplexer is in my workshop (a large metal building). > > The heliax goes out the window to a smaller portable building > about 100' away (horizontally spaced). The antenna is on > that building about 10' off the ground. > > Don - took the dummyload & analyzer to the end of the hard line, > fed it into the iso-tee there. No desense is noted. Something's > not right when the antenna gets hooked up. Maybe I should put > up the ringo for a test..... at least it's probably a bit better > of a match. > > --- In [4]repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> , Joe > <k1ike_m...@...> wrote: > > > > You state "DB-224 100' horizontally & 10' vertically separated". 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