> On 17 Apr 2025, at 08:03, Eliot Lear <l...@lear.ch> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> On 16.04.2025 20:19, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>> Jay,
>> 
>> Thanks for the update. I am puzzled by the following paragraph.
>> 
>> > Working cooperatively with authors who use GitHub is a more complex
>> > proposition and is still being looked at. A stumbling block is the
>> > regularly requested feature for the editors to send PRs, labelled as
>> > format edits or content edits or by severity or with some other label.
>> > Unfortunately this just does not fit with the way that editors work,
>> > which is to identify and correct issues as they are found during a
>> > review pass, whether those issues are formatting or content, or low
>> > severity or high severity.  Switching to a process with multiple edit
>> > passes, or where every edit leads to an individually labelled commit,
>> > would drastically increase the editing time and the IETF LLC has made
>> > it clear that this would not be acceptable. The RPC plans to put out a
>> > proposal for community discussion at IETF 123 Madrid on how it might
>> > support authors who work in GitHub.
>> 
>> First, breaking up edits between copy edit and formatting is
>> orthogonal to GitHub, although they serve the same basic purpose,
>> which is to make it easier for authors and the community to determine
>> what has changed.
>> 
>> Second, I am surprised to hear that you think this is prohibitive,
>> because to a first order this separation is what happens when you make
>> the first editorial pass on the markdown and then translate it to
>> XML. There are of course some minor formatting changes that get made
>> in markdown, but based on my experience backporting RPC changes into
>> markdown I could at least live with that separation. I agree that
>> individual commits would be prohibitive, though what *would* be
>> valuable would be if the aforementioned markdown changes were
>> presented as a PR so they could be reviewed and updated as necessary
>> using our ordinary processes.
>> 
>> On the bigger picture, whatever the RPC's current processes, standard
>> practice in book publishing is to have copy-editing occur on
>> un-typeset versions of the author's manuscript (e.g., a Word file)
>> followed by typesetting of the final manuscript. This roughly
>> corresponds to the content/formatting split that is discussed
>> here. Can you say why you believe this would be prohibitive in this
>> case?
> I read what Jay wrote differently.  He was stating that there is a request 
> that people tag PRs with different qualities like priority or formatting and 
> that these PRs be handled differently based on the tags, and THAT flow would 
> fly in the face of how what editors do today.  Am I misreading what was 
> written?

That’s what was meant yes.

Jay

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Jay Daley
IETF Executive Director
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