On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 12:07 +0100, Dag Wieers wrote:
> > I also believe smit is owned by IBM. I haven't heard that it would be open 
> > sourced. ;)
> 
> I don't want smitty per se, I don't like every aspect of smitty. But a
> framework where modules and scripts can be structured and improved in a
> community fashion looks very interesting to me.

Isn't that pretty much what linuxconf was?  Perhaps it didn't have a
good community spirit but it seemed pretty close to what you are asking
for.  It described itself as a framework for writing modules and it had
a text menu interface, a GUI, a web interface, and a CLI interface.  My
memory was that linuxconf was nearly universally despised, similar to my
experience with smitty.

Webmin seems to be as close as it gets to an open-source cross-platform
solution for administration, and there are themes that allow it to work
pretty well with text browsers like lynx so it can have a "text
interface" sort of.  Since everything is pretty much simple "form"
submission you can even "script" it a little with some command line http
magic.

I must be in the minority, but I thought yast was pretty useless as an
admin tool in an enterprise.  It seemed like ever module let me
configure about 75% of what I needed, but it never quite let me do
everything and seemed too difficult to customize.  This always left me
hunting up the config file anyway.  Not only that, but I don't remember
being able to restrict access to setup functions based on user (for
example allowing some admins to only admin users while others can only
install software, etc), it seems like it was all or nothing.  I'll admit
to not using it in a long time now by software standards (probably SLES7
or 8).  Has it improved significantly in these areas?

In the end I'll admit to disliking almost all of these types of tools.
They invariably destroy my nicely commented config files, turning a
perfectly crafted and commented dhcpd.conf or named.conf (just as an
example) into a completely unrecognizable mess.  Some of the junior
admins use them minimally for things lie viewing logs, print job
administration, and user administration, but very little if anything
else.

Later,
Tom


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