Kerry conceded because the Republicans would have exploded as they did in
2,000. He did not want the country in an uproar --at least not before he had
valid and reliable information. He also knew legally he could UNconcede with
new information. For the same reason, it was better for the other parties to
file suit or whatever they did to reopen the count. Now the Democratic Party
has just joined the filers. Give Kerry some time. He isn't sitting still.
Your story has already gone through factcheck.org; a colleague sent it to me. I
will ask him to resend it when he gets back from Peru. It's deleted from my
machine. You have the right to post whatever you wish, but --my opinion--an
ethical obligation not to post whatever you wish. Unless you know it is factual
or if it is presented as one person's opinion and not presented as fact, such
stories are cruel, hateful and hurtful--my opinion. Since you have already
discounted what I've suggested, I know you have no intention of doing such.
When I see your e-mails, I shall read them as I would a tabloid where accuracy
is not a priority, and sensationalism is. I do think people should take
responsibility for their impact on others. In this day and age, however, it's a
lost cause.--Peggy
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Cinelli
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Why Kerry is afraid to speak on vote fraud
It's not on snopes and there was nothing about it from factcheck.org which
doesn't mean anything - they might not have even gotten the article yet. Most
of their info is pre-election. I see that you do not like negative posts about
Kerry. This one came from an fairly reliable and established source, not a
blog or someone's opinion. I have no intention of checking every article I get
like this before I post it. If it's incorrect, you or someone else can tell me
why. I'm disseminating information I get. I welcome people who support it or
discredit it. I want to get to the truth. I also suggest you take that anger
you seem to have and channel it into something more useful and productive than
directing it at people who are on the same side as you, at least I assume we're
on the same side. Kerry's actions have been disappointing to put it mildly,
after all his promises to see that this election was fair and to fight election
fraud. He conceded so fast, it shocked and disappointed a lot of us and I feel
betrayed and maybe deceived. Why don't you get in touch with Kerry's people and
find out why he did nothing for so long and now is making a late, weak attempt
to join the protest against the election. He let us down, he broke his word,
he did it before all the votes were in, and I want to know why.
Donna
----- Original Message -----
From: Peggy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [rhetoric-list] Why Kerry is afraid to speak on vote fraud
I got kicked off this group once before for saying what I would like to say
#%^&*?#! --this time in response to the propaganda below. So I shall restrain
my tongue this time to honor the promotion of our mission of civil discourse
and so I won't get kicked out again. May I respectfully suggest you run such
information through factcheck.org and snopes.com before appearing on our
internet landscape. This stuff has already gone through the rigors of both
resources.--Peggy
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Cinelli
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Election Fraud 2004 ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:28 PM
Subject: [rhetoric-list] Why Kerry is afraid to speak on vote fraud
You know, this makes sense. It's the only thing that makes sense to me.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/303703.shtml
Why Kerry afraid to speak on vote fraud? KERRY USED ES&S/DIEBOLD E-VOTE
RIG TO OUST DEAN!
author: worthy repost
KERRY USED ES&S VOTE MACHINES TO RIG THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY PRIMARY
IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, TO OUST DEAN, SEALING THE SKULL AND BONES'ERS IN EACH
"PARTY." KERRY IS JUST AS GUILTY AS BUSH OF VOTE FRAUD. THAT IS WHY KERRY IS
QUIET. Dean would have been the Democratic Party Ticket, legally,--until e-vote
fraud came to the "rescue" for the aristocratic elites of the U.S. Moreover,
did you know that VP George H. W. Bush won a wierd "unexpected upset" (due to
e-vote machines?) in 1988 against Republican front runner Bob Dole. This
happened in New Hampshire as well.
Everyone knows that Kerry's father was high up in the CIA, just
like Bush's father, right?
Everyone knows that Kerry covered up for Bush in the Iran/Contra
Commission (and covered up for the Bush family in the BCCI investigation),
right? The Iran/Contras commission was the "Kerry Commission." BCCI was
(partially) investigated by Kerry as well.
Small world, eh? Kerry will avoid this like the plague, because he
is part of the Bush family networks, and a beneficiary of vote fraud himself to
get to the Democratic Ticket in 2004!
newswire article reposts united states 05.Feb.2004 11:27
election fraud | government | human & civil rights selection 2004
Kerry Beat Dean in New Hampshire by Only 1.5% When Computers
Weren't Doing the Counting
author: Posted by: Dire Wolf
Welcome to the land of Skull & Bones, with the help of Diebold are
Republic is now gone. The New World Order is here, what do you wanna do about
it ?.
In the New Hampshire Democratic Primary, exit polls, which are
seldom far wrong, indicated a very close race. The final vote was not close. A
close race would have constituted a win for Dean, given expectations. There is
serious reason to be dubious of computerized vote counting systems (see
Verified Voting or Black Box Voting for details). Such systems were used in New
Hampshire, especially those of Diebold, the company that has attracted the most
controversy, so I decided to analyze the New Hampshire Democratic primary vote
in terms of who was doing the tabulation. According to the New Hampshire
Secretary of State's office there are three possibilities:
Some ballots are counted by Diebold machines. Some ballots are
counted by ES&S machines. Some ballots are counted by hand.
To bring the matter into sharper focus, here are the percentages by
which Kerry's vote exceeded Dean's, grouped by tallying method.
VotingTechUsed % Margin
Diebold 58.1%
ES&S 35.0%
Hand 4.7%
Check out the graphic when these methods compared the vote in the
primaries:
http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2004/11/303704.jpg
Donna
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neck to any dictatorial government."
- - Dwight D. Eisenhower
"I'd rather be Don Quixote than another statistic." - -Douglas L. Wilson
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we
are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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