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Excellent Hank.

South Africa seems to have done exactly what you are proposing.

But then they had some leaders who WERE leaders!

  Peace
   G.

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Actually Rowland, nobody likes my solution, but like I said, I'm not an
Israeli, and I don't vote there. BUT I believe the way to solve the
problem is #1 to rename Israel and call it Palestine. Then include
everyone on both sides of the line. Let those back who can prove they were
there before. But since they won't agree to that, at least ONE state.
Nationalisms are the problem. It is a problem which always divides people.
Maybe there is no other way. You wouldn't expect the Kurds in Babylon to
merge with their Arab neighbors, would you? They have different traditions
and are not interested in becoming Iraq. What they really want is another
nationalism. So do the Kurds in Syria and Turkey but the Turks wouldn't
hear of it and the Syrians would gas another 30,000 or was that the Turks
that murdered 30,000 Kurds? Actually they both murdered a lot of their own
citizens and nobody much objected. I mean if Saddam is such a monster,
what is the difference or reason for not calling the other colonialist
imposed rulers what they really are. And the colonialist have to take
reponsibility also. Do you know how many Palestinians the King of Jordan
massacred during the uprising and he isn't even a Palestinian, he is a
Heshamite.

 Nationalist bullshit. Israel is a bit of a different story and everyone
recognizes it. Only the Arabs will tell ya, why did the West have to dump
them there?  The West feels guilty because they didn't want them. If you
want to know why Jews have a head-lock on the land, see Shindler's List to
get a small idea what it was like. Genocide was a work invented for the
Holocaust. It was never used before it was introduced to the UN by a
Jewish lawyer who was there. It wasn't the first time there was a Genocide
and won't be the last, but everyone gets a hair crossed each time someone
talks about the Genocide perpetrated against the Jews. There are genocides
in Africa now and I don't hear my friend Ed Kent complaining about the HIV
genocide or the inter-tribal wars where children are kidnapped and turned
into murderers and they rather disfigure and maim people than kill them,
though they have done their share of that too -- and it is a much bigger
problem right now than a fence which saves lifes.

The killing that goes on in this world is not an excuse for people here to
simply pick and choose their favorite cause here and rail on about it. God
damn it, do something. Like the left generally does, it talks, and it
talks. OK, maybe I don't do enough. But there are things you can do. I do
write the papers. I call up people I know and people I know who know
people who matter because they have some influence. How many organizations
do you belong to. Go to their meetings and talk about the problems in
Africa, in Israel, in Turkey, in Syria, in the U.S. (especially the U.S.
because you can start here to do more). Join the Peace Corps or some inner
city help problem. Volunteer at the soup kitchen. But let your politician
representatives know they cannot depend on your vote (or your friends)
unless they do the right/humanitarian things .. and no more bullshit. No
cronyism.

You know why Bush is toast? Because MOST people are not going to stand for
his cronyism. Even Republicans will not support him. He lost the Arab
vote. 55,000 voted in Florida and because he lied during the run up to the
election and said he would oppose profiling and since his assault on civil
liberties and even though 88 per cent of those 55,000 voted for him in
Florida in 2000, they won't be voting for him in 2004. And his
conservative base isn't going to support him. Everything you hear now is
from the campaign, but he will not win.

So you get ready to make damn sure Kerry does what is required. And at the
same time join some organizations which lobby and keep those in Washington
aware of people needs and national humanitarian needs.

Hank



 On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Rowland Scherman wrote:
> >
>  Each side says they want to stop the violence--right after they get in
the
> last kick. Just like in kindergarten.
>
>
> There HAS to be a way to stop it.  What do you think it is?
> Answer: by not trying to get in the last kick.  But that it not, it seems,
> the way of the mideastern mind.
>
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