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news flash mohommad the jews are palestinians, have been for centuries before you guys 
were even on the scene.


Mohammad Basirul Haq Sinha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Yes.
Certainly there is a hope of sanity and justice.
Single state solution,neo-secularism all sound great.
We can hope someday the opperessors would feel that Palestine should be for 
Palestinians and Palestinians would feel there may be some Jews who deserve to share 
the holy land with them as because they also fought for Palestinian rights and global 
justice......
Peace

M.B.H.S.

Wesley Parish wrote:
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In other words (and thanks to Linkin Park for some d*** fine lyrics):
"Breaking The Habit"

Memories consume
Like opening the wound
I'm picking me apart again
You all assume
I'm safe here in my room
Unless I try to start again

[Bridge:]
I don't want to be the one
The battles always choose
'Cause inside I realize
That I'm the one confused

[Chorus:]
I don't know what's worth fighting for
Or why I have to scream
I don't know why I instigate
And say what I don't mean
I don't know how I got this way
I know it's not alright
So I'm breaking the habit
I'm breaking the habit
Tonight

Shalom/Salaam

Wesley Parish

P.S. I know it's not as simple as one might assume from the song I quote, but
this does at least give an indication that there is hope. And without hope,
there's not much left in life.

Quoting "G. Waleed Kavalec" :

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> Lausanne Conference Considers One Democratic State in Palestine/Israel
>
>
>
> An international conference to consider "One Democratic State in
> Palestine/Israel" was held June 23-25 at the University of
> Lausanne/Switzerland. Organized by The Collective for Peace in
> Palestine/Israel, the gathering attracted some 150 Palestinian, Israeli
> and
> international intellectuals, academics and activists, including 45
> speakers.
>
>
>
> The banner welcoming participants to the meeting hall featured the
> disclaimer, "No anti-Semites on campus." Also predictable were the
> prefabricated polemics and divisive maneuvers of a few who labeled some
> speakers anti-Semitic hate-mongers and criticized conference organizers
> for
> having invited them-this in a transparent attempt to polarize the
> audience
> which, supposedly, was united in its support of one democratic state.
> Not
> surprisingly, the conference did not gain media acclaim, or the approval
> of
> the Lausanne municipality to use its name as part of the initiative.
> That
> was understandable, of course, given that the initiative does not
> conform to
> the agenda of those who, in many if not most places, influence the media
> and
> politics.
>
>
>
> Also as usual, a few narcissists came to promote themselves, their
> books, or
> their business. Other infiltrators attempted to pass ambiguous
> resolutions
> ignoring the Palestinians' right of return, or equating it with the
> right of
> Diaspora Jews to return. Given the conference climate, however, these
> efforts made little headway.
>
>
>
> All in all, the conference was positive, real, and may be considered an
> important milestone on the road to peace in the region. Not only was
> the
> general atmosphere one of mutual respect and objectivity, but there
> were
> enough people of ethics and courage to assess and attempt to resolve
> conflicting viewpoints. Their intellectual rigor also helped deflect
> attempts to reduce the discussion to a lovey-dovey dialogue. It should
> be
> noted that these serious participants working to defeat injustice in
> the
> hearts and minds of others were not politicians, but people using
> morality
> and the pen against opponents whose weapons are chairs and swords.
>
>
>
> A New Secularism
>
>
>
> One of the more stimulating and useful discourses concerned the secular
> nature of a future state, given its inhabitants' general spiritual
> character. Participants clarified that what was proposed is not the
> "anti-religious" secularism practiced elsewhere, but rather a
> pluralistic
> religious coexistence within a broader umbrella of separation between
> the
> particularities of the various religious groups and the laws of the
> State.
>
>
>
> Also analyzed was the concept of "democracy." That beautiful word, it
> was
> noted, is not so reassuring to minorities when it is used solely to
> guarantee the satisfaction and protect the interest of the majority.
> While
> it might work well for a homogeneous population, it takes the dedication
> to
> and implementation of other commitments, like the Universal Declaration
> of
> Human Rights, public law and other measures, to protect the diversity,
> culture and heritage of all ethno/religious groups. It is especially
> under
> this "majority" model of democracy that concerns about demographic
> variables
> and the natural growth of a certain population become utterly racist
> and
> must be confronted legally.
>
>
>
> The necessity of demilitarizing the future state, establishing its
> constitution and fixed borders, and ensuring that it redress the
> violated
> rights of its Arab citizens also were identified as key to gaining
> recognition and acceptance as a new, peaceful entity in the Middle
> East.
>
>
>
> Acknowledging that some philosophers, writers and leaders have pondered
> the
> one-state option, conference organizers did not claim to be its
> originators.
>
>
>
>
> Their innovative contribution, however, was to solidify the concept by
> taking the time and effort to create the one-state collective, then call
> for
> the conference. Attesting to their effectiveness was the diversity of
> people in attendance, from veiled Muslim women to Hassidic Jews with
> curls
> and old European outfits.
>
>
>
> Little more than a century ago, it is worth remembering, Basle,
> Switzerland
> hosted seven Zionist congresses, the first of which established the
> guidelines for the work of the Zionist Organization, from its creation
> to
> the founding of the State of Israel, in which women and non-Jews were
> denied
> the right to vote.
>
>
>
> At the one-state conference, an elected committee was assigned to draft
> the
> declaration, which then was discussed word by word. Changes were made in
> a
> democratic way, with any participant able to suggest modifications, and
> the
> various suggestions voted upon.
>
>
>
> The final declaration (see box) was extraordinary in terms of addressing
> the
> forced partition of the territory in 1948 as the root of the
> conflict-something almost entirely absent from current peacemaking
> proposals
> for the region.
>
>
>
> The initiative provides a glimmer of hope at a time when the
> Israeli-Palestinian conflict is considered one of the world's
> intractable
> conflicts, and the solutions that have been supported by the
> international
> community have been exposed as unfair and, more importantly, have so
> far
> failed to be endorsed by the people concerned. The question of
> international
> involvement was debated on several occasions, in fact, and there was a
> consensus that the future of our region hinges on the international
> community's ability to further our aspirations to end our segregation.
>
>
>
> Foreign supporters, it was emphasized, should play a third-party role,
> opening closed doors and pushing aside obstacles. That differs from
> "being
> neutral"-for no oppressed party appreciates the world's neutrality and
> silence regarding its suffering.
>
>
>
> Far removed from the emotions and reactions of the battlefield, the
> international community can help us hold on to our morally justified
> and
> reasonable hope against the current "facts on the ground" and their
> affiliated political processes.
>
>
>
> The Lausanne conference has served to establish Palestinians' membership
> in
> a fair and just society-even if still in the embryonic stage-and our
> adoption of a noble ideal. It announces to those who, deluded, call for
> our
> separation that we think otherwise about what it takes to assure peace
> in
> the region. Our conference serves as an invitation to all peace lovers
> of
> the world to re-examine their support of splitting the homeland we all
> love.
>
>
>
> The echoes of our call will emanate from here, amplifying and clarifying
> our
> message and purifying it from all distractions. Even if we do not
> realize
> our ideal today, we must guard and protect it for yet another
> generation.
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