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Quoth donnella whiteacre
> your posts reflect the point that you give the jews no rights, the arabs are in
> the right. so you are intitled to think that if you wish.
//
I would dispute that. Even in Australia, the fact of Colonialism doesn't
abrogate the rights of the British who colonized and settled it; it just
abrogates the right of those settlers to violate the rights of the Australian
Aboriginals, who have after all been there for at least 40 thousand years.
I can accept the Jewish right to the land now known as Israel; I just dispute
any sole Jewish right to it, based on several decades of anti-colonialist
lawmaking following from the anti-colonialism espoused by the United Nations
during the Second World War.
> the dispora doesn't cancel out the jews claim to the land, as some lived there
> always.
//
Now we come to an interesting question. Who else does that apply to? In New
Zealand we have pakeha - NZers of largely English origin - disputing the right
of Maori to land that was illegally confiscated during the European settlement
years. That's land that's only been alienated for less than one hundred years.
And my mother's family has a traditiion of Jewish ancestry, and proof of English
ancestry. Some of that English ancestry came from what is now Saxony, less than
two thousand years ago. Some of that English ancestry came from what is now
Frnace, less than a thousand years ago.
Do I have rights to either France or Germany?
> the mark of an intelligent mind is one that can hold two conflicting thoughts at
> a time: stating that the arabs were indigenious didn't rule out the jews being
> indigenious also, unless you go along with the idea that the jews are really
> arabs and they are decendents of the caananites which would make them not
> decendants of abraham.
//
Again, I would dispute that, based on the fact that Kaleb, one of the clans of
Judah, first appeared as a Midian clan. Evidentally, they got adopted
wholesale. That would make all Jews descended in part of in full from that
particular clan, non-descendents of Abraham. And Solomon traded several
villages in his little empire for the First Temple, in return getting some
skilled labourers - now Jews of course - so there's not that hard and fast
distinction between Jew and Canaanite, Jew and Phoenician, and dare I say, Jew
and Arab, as you appear to think.
> you can post all the garble you want on this and that, it comes right down to
> the fact that they were given the lion's share of both their indiginous land
> and they refuse to accept or acknowledge the jews right to some of it.
//
They were on the land, and working it, and they were "given" the lion's share of it?
http://www.israelblog.org/1040190582/
How many times have I heard Zionist apologists saying how the Arabs under Jewish
rule are so much better off than other Arabs, so "why are they complaining?"
Jabotinsky understood the arrogance inherent in this thinking.
I find exactly the same contemptuous sort of talk about Maori and the wonders of
colonization in New Zealand. Ditto Australia, etc. I spent a good year in
1988-89 combatting that stupididty, that arrogance.
> and that crap about the nazis, hank has answered that time and again and you
> keep draging it up.
//
Please read excerpt:
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/irgunazi.htm
"Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO [IZL] in Palestine, under the
condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom
movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively lake
part in the war on Germany’s side."
This offer was made in 1941, while Jews were the subject of the Einsatzgruppen
"actions", etc. That puts the IZL - and probably LEHI as well, considering they
were allies - under the same strictures as Scott put _everyone_ who allied
themselves however briefly, with the Third Reich.
Shalom/Salaam
Wesley Parish
Quoting <>:
>
"Sharpened hands are happy hands.
"Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands"
- A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge
"I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!"
I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the
other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press
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