hmmmmm maybe you should talk about that with the sudanese, the phillipines, the indians and many other victims of militant islamics. we consider the temple mount holy and the world tell us to get over it and share. tell that to the muslims that won't. so saudi soil is holy? big deal, they called us there to defend it and this pip doesn't like it: to bad. that doesn't give him the right to kill people. that form of religious thought is from the middle ages. they did nothing to desicrate saudi soil, the saudis themselves pay terrorist families in palestine for their good work in killing jews. that information about islamic militants doesn't wash for me. their arrogant believes that their holiness gives them the right to kill, well i don't buy it. the muslims who don't hold with this, need to speak up so we can see the difference if there is one.
Michael McMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:08 PM CDT; Lonnie wrote; Subject: [RHETORIC] Defending what truth? For a discussion list called "Defending the Truth," I'm reading a lot of false statements and prejudices here. 1. What is "militant Islam"? Has anyone ever bothered to find out what Osama bin Laden's beef with the US is? I mean, other than what Bush has repeatedly spew on the airwaves. Those whom you are labelling "Islamic militants" are a small minority of the nearly one billion muslims in the world. Your understanding of Islam and its practitioners is not based on reality, but on media images, which any thinking person must know are not reflections of reality. You have fallen for the lie that Bush has been telling you since 9/11: anyone against us (meaning the US military-industrial complex) is a terrorist. Here lately, you might have good cause to wonder about "Defending the Truth". Remember a couple of things, though. Hank's board deals with politics. That, by its very nature, deals with SUBJECTIVE truth rather than OBJECTIVE truth. That's when political discussion doesn't degenerate into outright lies and name-calling which it all too often does. As far as Osama's beef with the U.S., I understand that at least in part it has to do with the presence of U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia, at the request I might add of the House of Saud. That land is considered Holy to many Moslems, and the presence of Infidels (which is what U.S. troops are considered over there) is an offence to them. In the case of the band of merry men following Osama, it's enough of an offence to go to war over it. Incidentally, there are at the present moment 2,240 hits for "Tap-dancing Militant Islamic Fundamentalist" on Google. Try not to think about it. ----- / o o \ ===OO=====OO================================================== 4 Portals - 2 Wikis - 2 Conferences -- No More BuSHIT! It all starts HERE: http://pnews.org/ (On Internet since 1982) AND HERE: http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/ (Featured News) AND HERE: http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (Urgent News) ============================================================== --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ----- / o o \ ===OO=====OO================================================== 4 Portals - 2 Wikis - 2 Conferences -- No More BuSHIT! It all starts HERE: http://pnews.org/ (On Internet since 1982) AND HERE: http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/ (Featured News) AND HERE: http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (Urgent News) ==============================================================
