Hei, Religions are not good because they claim to have a truth although in reality that truth is difficult to see. Who in church knows Jesus but still they have those millions of worshipping people without experience of the matter. They have tradition but that of course is guided by God so it is unquestionable. Don' bother to think. Most convincing proof of Jesus are millions of worshipping people not history. So religions claiming to have truth are always imperialistic. Christianity have maybe only conquered enough. Ethics of religions haven't challenged imperiums. I don't believe Islam would conquer the world without supporters which generally are out of security and welfare of western peoples. Not because of religion but despite ethics. I don't know Islam enough to say would ethics be more universal than Christianitys.
Asko Ojaluoto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garth Cartledge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [RHETORIC] Struggle of the civilizations' ideologies > No one is seeking to correct Islam. It is just that when it is put up as a > moderate and tolerant religion by the same person who feels that there is > nothing wrong with suggesting a course of action that is likely to result > in the genocide of a cultural/religious grouping which the Islamic nations > have, for many years, made the subject of vicious and dishonest propaganda, > one has to challenge what has been said. > > And no one wants anyone to be materialistic - what people want is not to > have hard line bigoted religious people (whether Christian or Muslim > fundamentalist) trying to impose their beliefs and standards on > others. But you are right - no one wants propaganda. But nevertheless TV > programmes are made in Muslim countries which say that the Israelis take > Palestinian children's eyes and keep their President alive with stolen body > parts from Palestinian children. I suppose that I am lucky that I live in > a country where I do have access to sources of information which is not > controlled or frightened by religious bigots. > > As I said no one is seeking to correct Islam or make a new religion. But > there are a lot of Muslims who do not accord me and mine the same courtesy > - who want me to live by beliefs and habits that are not mine, who distort > the truth in order to achieve an end which is inimical to what I regard as > fair and proper. Islam may be difficult but it is not my religion and it > is fine by me for people to live according to their own desires - if they > choose to be or are born Muslim that is none of my business. I only start > to make noises when they try to impose it on others. > > Do you believe that Muslims should try to impose their standards on > non-Muslims and non-Muslim countries (although they are really the same > thing are they not?). > > > Garth Cartledge > > " Despotism sits nowhere so secure as under the effigy and ensigns of > Freedom", From Imaginary Conversations of Greeks and Romans (1853) by > Walter Savage Landor 1775-1864 > At 04:26 PM 26/12/2004, Asko Ojaluoto wrote: > > >Islam is difficult religion but it can't be corrected by making a new > >religion. > >In order to be more materialistic people need information instead of > >propaganda. > > > >Asko Ojaluoto > > > > ----- > > / o o \ > >OOO > >http://pnews.org/ (links) > >http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/ (West Coast News Wiki) > >http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (East Coast News Wiki) > > > >Sub/Unsub [pnews-l - rhetoric] :: http://pnews.org/signup.shtml > > > > > > > > FIGHT THE RIGHT! > > ----- > / o o \ > ===OO=====OO================================================== > http://pnews.org/ (links) > http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/ (West Coast News Wiki) > http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (East Coast News Wiki) > =============================================================== > Sub/Unsub [pnews-l - rhetoric] :: http://pnews.org/signup.shtml > =============================================================== > > ================== > FIGHT THE RIGHT! > ================== > > > > > ----- / o o \ ===OO=====OO================================================== http://pnews.org/ (links) http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/ (West Coast News Wiki) http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/ (East Coast News Wiki) =============================================================== Sub/Unsub [pnews-l - rhetoric] :: http://pnews.org/signup.shtml =============================================================== ================== FIGHT THE RIGHT! ==================
