You are correct on one point - non-Muslim Africans do also practice female genital mutilation. I did get that wrong. But regardless of that, why can't you discuss issues without personal attacks on me? I disagree strongly with much that you say but I debate what you say and do not call you names. If I disagree with what you say and what you say is obviously influenced by your Muslim beliefs why am I disseminating anti-Muslim hate propaganda? I have not suggested a course of action leading to extermination of Muslims as you have suggested one leading to Jewish extermination and yet I am the one disseminating hate propaganda! As to the treatment of rape victims, I do not live in a society which relies upon propaganda but on a relatively free Media and it (the responsible parts of it) report on this phenomenon - it does not always get it right but it does not deal in propaganda. And you ask me to look at the Quran yet you refuse to answer my question re the anomalies between the Quran, the Hadith and the PLO Charter. I am happy to discuss things with you but I will not participate in discussion with you if, every time I say something with which you disagree you start to call me names. In other words, if we can have a mature and civilized discussion (about our ideas without descending to personal insult) then go ahead. if not, don't bother.
Garth Cartledge
" Despotism sits nowhere so secure as under the effigy and ensigns of Freedom", From Imaginary Conversations of Greeks and Romans (1853) by Walter Savage Landor 1775-1864
At 06:49 PM 27/12/2004, bangla vision wrote:
>What is progressive or humane about female circumcisions, murder or >ostracism of one's sister if she is raped, indeed of regarding women as >subservient to and the property of men,.... dear Garth, You once again proved that people like you are here to disseminate anti-Muslim hate propaganda based on self-styled ignorance..By this you want to fish in the muddy water..Female genital mutilation is practised in African Muslims and non-Muslims and has no relation to Islam..Arab,Asian or other muslims don't practise it as it is religiously prohibited.No rape victim is murdered according to Islam.On the contrary Rapists including adulterers are ordered to be stoned to death according to the Quran...Women are not personal properties as is believed by Christian fanatics like you they are equal to men though they are ordered to cover with more clothes as Islam is strict to close all windows of adultry...
>But can we get away from name calling and the symbols of deeper >malaise. Let us address fundamental issues.... Ignorant people have no fundamental issue as they fail to learn and educate others...
Please go through the Quran not to change your views but to find how ignorant you are..(http://www.najaf.org/English/home/index.htm)
----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [RHETORIC] Jewish/Arab Territorial Dispute - What RACISM? Sent: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:43:55 +1100 From: Garth Cartledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] > At 01:37 AM 27/12/2004, bangla vision wrote: > >>As Muslim I can just pray may Allah the almighty help you to leave hipocrisy >>which is sheer Zionism that is anti-progressivism...Please humanize your mind >>first.... >> > >What is progressive or humane about female circumcisions, murder or >ostracism of one's sister if she is raped, indeed of regarding women as >subservient to and the property of men, about condemning to death the >citizen of another country who criticizes Muslim leaders,
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