a) you assume that there are other end points.b) make sure that you have
message owners defined for the bus' messages, that will handle the
subscriptions.

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:03 PM, chrisortman <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I think why I am getting confused is that whatever bus i use to Send|
> Notify|Publish should be an implicit subscriber since it can consume
> its own messages. Otherwise I can't see why to use Notify|Publish if
> there are no other endpoints.
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2:05 pm, Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> wrote:
> > No, because discarded messages are for _arriving_ messages.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM, chrisortman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Currently when doing IServiceBus.Notify(message) nothing happens if
> > > there are no subscribers.
> > > Should this also generate a discarded message?
> >
> > > On Jan 19, 11:04 am, Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > That is an extremely common approach.
> > > > For that matter, here is the real configuration behind the NH Prof
> > > website:
> >
> > > > <castle>
> >
> > > > <facilities>
> >
> > > > <facility id="rhino.esb" >
> >
> > > > <bus threadCount="1"
> >
> > > >  numberOfRetries="5"
> >
> > > >  endpoint="msmq://localhost/nhprof.backend"
> >
> > > >              />
> >
> > > > <messages>
> >
> > > > <add name="NHProfilerWeb.Backend.InternalMessages"
> >
> > > >  endpoint="msmq://localhost/nhprof.backend"/>
> >
> > > > <add name="NHProfilerWeb.Messages"
> >
> > > >  endpoint="msmq://localhost/nhprof.backend"/>
> >
> > > > </messages>
> >
> > > > </facility>
> >
> > > > </facilities>
> >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM, chrisortman <[email protected]
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > Does it violate anything if the same bus that sends the message is
> > > > > also the one that is watching that queue?
> >
> > > > > Lets say I have 2 apps.
> > > > > 1 NHProf website
> > > > > 2 Windows Service that does order processing
> >
> > > > > So in the web app I would do something like
> > > > >   <facility id="rhino.esb" >
> > > > >                        <bus threadCount="1"
> > > > >           numberOfRetries="5"
> > > > >            endpoint="msmq://localhost/nhprof.web"
> > > > >             />
> > > > >                        <messages>
> > > > >                                <add name="nhprof"
> > > > >             endpoint="msmq://localhost/nhprof.orders"/>
> > > > >                        </messages>
> > > > > </facility>
> >
> > > > > And then the service app:
> > > > >  <facility id="rhino.esb" >
> > > > >                        <bus threadCount="1"
> > > > >           numberOfRetries="5"
> > > > >            endpoint="msmq://localhost/nhprof.svc"
> > > > >             />
> > > > >                        <messages>
> > > > >                                <add name="nhprof"
> > > > >             endpoint="msmq://localhost/nhprof.orders"/>
> > > > >                        </messages>
> > > > > </facility>
> > > > > On Jan 19, 10:53 am, Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > No, there is an assumption that that queue exists.
> >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM, chrisortman <
> [email protected]
> >
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Is there an assumption then that there exists a bus that is
> > > watching
> > > > > > > that endpoint?
> >
> > > > > > > On Jan 19, 10:27 am, Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > inline
> >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM, chrisortman <
> > > [email protected]
> >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > Is it correct to say that a Discarded message is any
> message
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > arrives at an endpoint but has no consumers registered for
> it?
> >
> > > > > > > > yes
> > > > > > > > another option is that this is a saga message that doesn't
> have a
> > > > > saga
> > > > > > > > instance to orchestrate it.
> >
> > > > > > > > > I am also not understanding why messages have their own
> > > endpoint or
> > > > > > > > > when they should share the same endpoint as the bus?
> >
> > > > > > > > > I am running the trunk right now, and when I use this as my
> > > config
> > > > > > > > > <facility id="rhino.esb" >
> > > > > > > > >                        <bus threadCount="1"
> > > > > > > > >           numberOfRetries="5"
> >
> > > > > > > > > logEndpoint="msmq://localhost/my.log"
> > > > > > > > >           endpoint="msmq://localhost/rhino"
> > > > > > > > >             />
> > > > > > > > >                        <messages>
> > > > > > > > >                                <add
> name="MyMessageAssembly"
> > > > > > > > >             endpoint="msmq://localhost/my.subscriptions"/>
> > > > > > > > >                        </messages>
> > > > > > > > > </facility>
> >
> > > > > > > > > I get errors because the my.subscriptions queue doesn't
> exist.
> >
> > > > > > > > The problem that you have is that you are trying to send the
> > > message
> > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > non existing bus.
> >
> > > > > > > > The reason that you have to specify an endpoint several times
> is
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > bus' endpoint says what queue the bus listen on.
> > > > > > > > The message endpoint specify what is the owner of a
> particular
> > > set of
> > > > > > > > messages.
> >
>

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