Tim,Stub _doesn't_ cause the test to fail.
What you have here is an assertion on a stub, it is different.
Mock can fail a test by just calling a method that isn't expected, that was
the intention.

And yes, they are blurry lines.
Unfortunately, backward compact means that it is going to be very hard to
change.
I think that the best alternative is to make RM 4.0 go on a diet and declare
backward compact dead there.
Adopt the suggestion of cutting the API and reducing the complexity.

Thoughts?

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Tim Barcz <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was working on a post the difference between mocks and stubs with regard
> to how the framework treats them and I'm seeing some things which seem to be
> at odds can can (read:do) cause confusion.
>
> From the RhinoMocks wiki (http://ayende.com/Wiki/Rhino+Mocks+3.5.ashx)
>
> IMPORTANT: A stub will never cause a test to fail.
>
>
> However...
>
> A post from about a year ago (
> http://ayende.com/Blog/archive/2008/06/29/Rhino-Mocks-3.5-Design-Decisions-The-role-of-Stub-vs.aspx)
> discusses the role of a stub and a very simple test will demonstrate that in
> fact a Stub can cause a test to fail.
>
>
> [Test]
> public void Stub_and_Assert()
> {
>     var stub = MockRepository.GenerateStub<IFoo>();
>
>     stub.AssertWasCalled(x => x.Method(Arg<string>.Is.Anything));
> }
>
> produces a failure, indicating the method was expected #1 time but was
> called #0.
>
> *What I'm seeing is that the lines between a mock and a stub are extremely
> blurry.  I am really struggling with the difference here.  I think if there
> is the ambiguity here and that is the direction of the framework, let's
> embrace it and remove the notion of mocks/stubs and call everything Fakes (a
> la Roy O.) and assert on whatever you want.  If we want the distinction
> baked into the framework then the distinction should be clear (and
> enforced).*
>
> Tim
>
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>
>
> >
>

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