On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Bill Walker, FOAVC co-founder 
<[email protected]> wrote:





This email  is being sent you because at some time you expressed interest in an 
Article V Convention. If you have received this email by mistake, please read 
no further and delete this email. It will not be resent to you. 
 
For many years there has been a debate regarding Congress calling an Article V 
Convention. Article V of the United States Constitution mandates Congress must 
call  a convention for the explicit and express purpose of that convention 
proposing amendments to the Constitution. The convention must be called, 
according to the terms of Article V, when two thirds of the state legislatures 
formally apply (or request) that Congress call a convention. The Constitution 
establishes no other term or condition for a convention call other than two 
thirds of the state legislatures must apply for a convention call by Congress. 
Thus, other than requesting the convention call, the content of a state 
application, has no bearing on whether Congress must call a convention. The 
Constitution is explicit: when two thirds of the states apply for a convention 
call, Congress must call. According to nearly all historical and academic 
studies, the call is peremptory. Peremptory
 is a legal term meaning Congress is given no option as to refusing to call a 
convention. Under the expressed terms of Article V, a convention is not a 
constitutional convention, that is, it cannot propose or write a new 
Constitution.
 
Despite the fact  49 states have submitted over 700 applications (an average of 
one application every four months by at least one state since our nation's 
founding) Congress has refused to call the convention as required by the 
Constitution. Indeed, Congress has been so remiss in its required 
constitutional duty that it has never even gathered the state applications into 
a single public record thus allowing  public inspection and, of course, forcing 
Congress to know when the states have applied in sufficient number to cause a 
convention call. Friends of the Article V Convention (FOAVC) has remedied the 
congressional omission by compiling the applications through use of 
photographic copies of official government records and listing them in a single 
public source. This public record irrefutably proves Congress is currently 
obligated to call a convention and violates the Constitution for refusing to do 
so.
 
Many  individuals, state legislatures and public interest groups have, within 
the last few years, expressed interest in causing Congress to call an Article V 
Convention. They have suggested a variety of amendment proposals for a 
convention to consider. Many of these proposals are duplicates of applications 
already on file with Congress such as balanced budget amendment, state 
nullification of federal laws, repeal of federal income tax, limitation on 
national debt and so forth.
 
To further illustrate how effective Congress is at avoiding its constitutional 
responsibility, consider that this public record proves at least three 
amendments subjects, apportionment, repeal of federal income tax and a balanced 
budget amendment each have received enough applications from the states to 
cause a convention call on each of those issues. The omission by Congress has 
thus far been so effective that political leaders of today continue to call for 
new applications (i.e. balanced budget amendment) despite the fact there is 
already a sufficient number of applications to cause the convention call for 
the amendment issue they say they want to achieve! 
 
Groups such as the John Birch Society and Eagle Forum have always opposed an 
Article V Convention by use of misstatements and other misleading information. 
Primarily through the work of FOAVC, by use of documented public records and 
other verifiable information, these misstatements have been corrected. FOAVC 
has always strived to correct the record regarding any misstatements about a 
convention regardless of whether the statements are from proponents or 
opponents to a convention.
 
It is quite clear that as the truth about an Article V Convention has emerged 
and the deliberate misstatements have been corrected, the first stage of an 
Article V Convention, has been reached. This can be classified as the "why" 
stage of a convention call. The "why" stage deals with the question as "why" 
should a convention be called by Congress. During this period, the states 
decide for various political reasons that amendments should be proposed to the 
Constitution and thus submit the requisite applications to Congress for a 
convention call. As the states have submitted well in excess of the requisite 
34 applications, it is clear the "why" stage of a convention call has been 
satisfied. However, as already noted, a convention call is based, not on the 
subject matter of any particular amendment contained within a state 
application, but on the actual application itself by the state. Thus, a 
convention call is based on a simple numeric count of applying
 states (34) with no terms or conditions. This basis of convention call is 
supported by irrefutable historic record and government statements made in 
Supreme Court rulings.
 
The next stage in a convention call is the "how" stage which deals with the 
operational aspects of the convention itself. In truth, most constitutional 
scholars have not researched this aspect of a convention that well. Instead of 
conducting actual research to determine whether sufficient law exists to 
regulate a convention, most scholars and convention opponents prefer to state a 
convention should not be held as its operational aspects are unknown and thus, 
according to them, potentially "dangerous." Nothing is further from the truth. 
In fact, the historic record, Supreme Court rulings and other such public 
documentation provide more than enough law, and thus answers, to satisfy all 
questions regarding the operational aspects of an Article V Convention. In sum, 
there is more than sufficient well settled law to regulate a convention making 
its operational aspects no more mysterious or dangerous than any other action 
of any public governmental body.
 The same laws that regulate these bodies also apply to a convention.
 
However, a few scholars have researched the operational aspects of a 
convention. One such report of the operational aspects of an Article V 
Convention was released by the Goldwater Institute in September, 2010. The 
report, entitled, "Amending the Constitution by Convention: A Complete View of 
the Founders’ Plan" was written by Professor Robert G. Natelson. This 
report proposes a method whereby the states can control the agenda of a 
convention. The report suggests the states, by use of fiduciary law 
principles, can control all aspects of an Article V Convention. Under this 
plan, the convention becomes no more than a politically pre-determined event 
with little input or control from the people. The report can be read at 
Goldwater Institute. 
 
Because of concerns regarding what type of convention this plan will create and 
to correct factual errors within it, I am releasing a rebuttal to the report. 
The Rebuttal to the Report corrects assumptions in Professor Natelson's 
report that assert  fiduciary law principles can be used to control an Article 
V Convention. My six  months of research leads me to believe fiduciary law 
principles, unless they are specifically expressed in the Constitution, have no 
place in constitutional law, let alone serving as the basis of regulation of an 
Article V Convention. The rebuttal uses historic records of the 1787 Federal 
Convention, (something not found in Professor Natelson's report) Supreme Court 
rulings and other relevant public records to demonstrate the Founders had at 
least two opportunities during their debates over the amendment process in the 
1787 convention to introduce such fiduciary controls by the states into Article 
V. The
 Founders rejected these opportunities on all occasions and instead relied on 
other means to allow control of a convention. 
 
The rebuttal agrees with Professor Natelson on one central point. The 
rebuttal concludes the state legislatures may, if they wish, politically 
control convention proposal agenda in real time, that is, during the actual 
convention or, if the states wish, even before a convention occurs. Yet the 
rebuttal proposal simultaneously allows for a convention to freely discuss and 
propose whatever amendments it wishes if it is so politically inclined. The 
convention thus ceases being a figurehead convention as proposed by Professor 
Natelson and is free to be the constitutional think tank intended by the 
Founders with full, open, public participation of the people rather than being 
prone to a pre-determined political outcome controlled by special interests. 
Unlike Professor Natelson's report, the rebuttal proposal employs Supreme Court 
rulings as its basis of support. In sum, while the rebuttal proves the method 
of convention control proposed by
 Professor Natelson is constitutionally, legally and politically unfeasible, it 
offers an alterative which satisfies all of these criteria. 
 
I believe this proposal completely eliminates the last argument of those 
opponents who support Congress' ability to veto the Constitution and not call 
the convention when it is required to do so. The proposal advances a political 
solution, long argued as impossible by convention opponents. The proposal is 
based on solid constitutional grounds. Combined with other answers that FOAVC 
and others have advanced in the past few years, the questions to the "how" 
phase of an Article V Convention have been answered. Thus, there is no basis on 
which to object to a convention as the overreaching argument that operational 
questions have no answer is incorrect. 
 
Thus, with the release of this rebuttal, the issue shifts to the third phase of 
an Article V Convention call--the "when" stage. "When" will political pressure 
be brought upon Congress to compel it to do its required duty and call an 
Article V Convention. 
 
If you will consider reading this report and passing its contents to as many 
people as you know that are interested in Article V Convention or have 
questions regarding it, it would be appreciated. Thank you for your time.
 
Bill Walker
FOAVC Co-Founder
www.foavc.org


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