Maggie et al:
 
Consider the AERC Rule that covers the use of drugs;
 
13.  The integrity of Endurance Competition requires that the equine is  
not influenced by any drug, medication or veterinary treatment.  
Endurance equines must compete entirely on their natural ability.  
 AERC prohibits from competition equines who contain evidence of     
the administration of abnormal substances or of normal substances     
 in abnormal amounts (exogenously administered compounds even  
if normally found endogenously). Since the complete effects of such   
administration cannot be known, the fairness and safety require the    
 prohibition of such practices.
 
13.1       A. Upon discovery of the presence of such drug or medication, approved laboratory shall immediately report the matter to AERC. Any action or substance administered internally or externally, whether drugs or otherwise, which   may interfere with the testing procedure, or mask or screen   the presence of such drug, is forbidden.
 
Now, if you read the basic rule very carefully it mentions nothing about a drug being prohibited just because it can be tested for. The Rule says in fact that NO DRUGS ARE ALLOWED!!! And as to what are considered drugs? That is quite clear ((exogenously administered compounds even  if normally found endogenously).
 
Then in 13.1,  the explanation is given as to the procedure to be followed if drugs ARE suspected, tested for, and detected.
 
At no place in the AERC Rules and Regulations does it ever state that it is legal to use a drug (as defined in the rule) because it cannot be detected. To the contrary the AERC Rules state " The integrity of Endurance Competition requires that the equine is  
not influenced by any drug, medication or veterinary treatment.   Endurance equines must compete entirely on their natural ability.
 
If a rider cannot, in clear conscience, make that statement  based on the simple reading of the rule, should they be allowed in competition?
 
Bob 
 
Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID
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Subject: Re: [RC] yucca extract

I found the page with the prohibited substances for AERC competition.  It states (in addition to other things that are prohibited)
 
*nutrient substances administered in doses to achieve a pharmacologic effect (DMSO, DMG, yucca and MSM)
 
I am wondering then if 375 mg. would produce a pharmacologic effect.  What about MSM at 2500 mg.?    Would withdrawing the supp at 96 hours significantly decrease the benefit of the glucosamine and chondroitin?  Would it be better to use only a glucosamine/chondroitin supp?  Would I need to withdraw that supp anyway? Thanks for all the opinions/information I know I'll get on this.  Forgive me if I don't respond for a day or two... I am going out of town and will be back on Monday.  Thanks!
Maggie

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