Well Roger, you are sounding like me now. Not sure that is very good. I have the same feelings that you have even though I do not always agree with everything you have to say. Trying to get any response from the membership is a tough thing to do. We went to the trouble to get a comparison of the old and new by-laws on line and I do not believe we had a half dozen comments about them. People do not seem to care.
I believe that the problem with the Board is they do not want to seem partial one way or the other. They do not want to stand out in a crowd so to say. I guess they do not have very much conviction when it comes to AERC matters. I have written many posts to the Board and never had but one or two comments back. The Board is just not available for debate. We never have any concept as to how the Board feels on any matters. The membership needs leadership and it just does not come from the Board of Directors in any way shape or form. As you are aware, I stand behind everything I post and am ready to defend my positions with facts, data and/or proof. How many of the Board are willing to make that stand and come forward to comment? Bob Bob Morris Morris Endurance Enterprises Boise, ID -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Rittenhouse Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:53 PM To: ridecamp Subject: Re[2]: [RC] Pre-Ride VC Issues and a few others While I am on a roll; I stepped up to register my disagreement with a policy and protocol I believe to be incorrect. Not the first time nor the last.. While all have the opinions and options to disagree with with me or agree. .. One thing I ask- take the issues public. I really dont need trash mail or flame mail in private. If you want to take me out or on - do it in public, I also would really like for those who agree with me in private to go public. Standing out alone is not a good place to be if it appears no one supports you position. I have received a few supporting my comments and a few not in support.. all private -except Bob M - Howard sort of? and I am sure a few others by now. The only way issues get resolved is to go public put the comments in public view for riders and others to read. The BOD will eventually have to deal with some of these issues as well as other issues. If you disagree with me, say so, if you dont like my style say so - I dont really care - just do something. Far too many sit on there on what ever and dont speak up let it all hang out - tell it the way YOU see it. I under stand a few are concerned with image and assorted positions and surely dont want to get caught in a mix with me Howard Bob M or BOD members or who ever enters in to this, (more will enter into the fray.) But sitting there doing nothing is acceptance of the way things are with out regard to the sport. Let the other guy do it. OR you concur. The current membership is quite apathetic as is many on the AERC Board. I have taken issues to the BOD list without ONE comment from anyone, just ignore the loose cannon. Issues of non- importance are covered but dont talk about hot items... What the hell is there to be concerned with here. ITS A SPORT! it sure is NOT my religion. What will happen well lets see - I will loose business - maybe - its the risk I took when I took the job - did anyone think I would just roll over and go along with the flow.?? Dont care for my politics and chose not to do business with me . OK then. they really are not connected.. no business equals no support?? I will continue to speak MY position on issues I believe are important. And they are that - just mine. lets here yours? However- A few others are speaking up. Next another reason to NOT make waves is retaliation. By WHO? A vet who I piss off might pull me? So?? I dont go to rides with that vet? I really dont HAVE to do this, I dropped out of NATRC because the BS in this region got too much for me and Carol to deal with. So we just quit- I dont miss it either. Problem is AERC sure is NOT NATRC, it has been my life for 25 plus years. When I see the sport changing from what I thought it was or how it was, I register strong objections. Assign that to paternalistic emotions. If those coming into the sport want a different set of rules and principles - then make it happen. I already did deal with the FEI issues. I am not so sure it has been good for AERC. Others think we should get more involved. Just look at the latest EN - 3 articles all about FEI and UAE and how we should or should not work with them and fit in. The President the VP and a noted vet/rider. I thought there was adequate coverage of FEI/UAE related issues in that issue, saturation, I called it. I just do not see my continued association with that form of the sport as related to what I believe defines AERC. AERC has larger issues then FEI/UAE There is far too much influence on AERC from FEI already and I am not alone with that opinion.. One issue facing YOU the riders is the new BYLAWS. I did vote for them - no they are not perfect and will be changed years from now, but they are sound enough to provide for the business of AERC Inc I wanted a few changes minor - did not get them - but over all the bylaws are good and needed to bring the corporation up to date and in compliance with the Corp Code of Ca. I urge you to vote for them. I may take the time to address a few point later- after this fire storm passes. (Sure hope Bobbie R and RMTC escaped the real firestorm) Roger R =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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