> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> The DuPont Powder Challenge has been Won... See :
> http://www.pitt.edu/~geib/powderresults.html
> 
> The formula which was given as "HAlF4" is now PyH(Al3F10).
> Never trust DuPont crystallographers (which in turn have now
> stopped to trust their chemists ;-).
> 
> That job would certainly merit more than 1000 US$ !
> Congratulations to the winners, and happy new year to all.


If not too rude a question - how good were 
the structures derived from the "false" 
chemical information (taken on good 
faith as being correct)?  
Fit, bond lengths and angles?  Only
a cursory comment is made about the 
alternatives solutions that were submitted.

While single crystal has the reputation of being
able to correct the synthetic chemist - what does
this imply for solving structures from Powders?

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Jumping to conclusions with near zilch hard
information.  The solution/refinement sequence is 
not described but the webpage mentions co-ordinates 
being refined using GSAS.  GSAS also 
has convenient fourier electron density map 
generation and viewing.   What is the corellation in 
the "goodness" of the "submitted" structure vs the 
refinement software's ability to conveniently generate 
and view fourier maps ?  Especially with poor quality 
XRD data.  Wouldn't refining without the routine aid 
of Fourier maps be like flying blind to some extent?

Or is examining electron density space considered
irrelevant in modern structure solution/refinement
from powder data?

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Additions/corrections welcome; but out of the dozen or
more available Rietveld packages, there are only 3(?)
which allow convenient fourier contour map generation 
and viewing(?):

GSAS - UNIX/DOS(Windows):
  ftp://mist.lansce.lanl.gov
  http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp/ccp14/ftp-mirror/gsas/

LHPM/Rietica for Windows:
  ftp://ftp.ansto.gov.au/pub/physics/neutron/rietveld/Rietica_LHPM95/
  
http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp/ccp14/ftp-mirror/ansto/pub/physics/neutron/rietveld/Rietica_LHPM95/
  
  Runthrough:
     http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/tutorial/lhpm-rietica/demo.htm

EXPO - Sirware (VMS/UNIX/Windows):
  http://www.ba.cnr.it/IRMEC/SirWare_main.html
  http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp/web-mirrors/sirware/IRMEC/SirWare_main.html

This rises to 4 if the LHPM/Riet7 software with FORDAP/CSRIET for 
Windows interface software is included - which is not presently 
available via the internet.

Lachlan.


-- 
Lachlan M. D. Cranswick
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