Simon Billinge wrote:
>We can resolve the problem by setting 2pi=1!

What school did you go to; thanks for the info.

This issue of plotting data is one of those's non-issues drummed up by
groups familar with one format but not in another; I would suggest that
everyone should be familar with both types of displays. If we had the case
where only 1/d is plotted eclusively then a whole lot of useful information
would be lost. For example, if I look at a fit of a 2Th plot then I can
immediately ascertain the following by looking at the misfits:

- Are the low angle peaks fitting properly; if not then something is wrong
with either the axial or equitorial divergence corrections.
- If the peaks are not fitting at 90 degrees then I know that sample
penetration is not being accounted for proeprly.
- If variable divergence slits are being used then I know the angle where
spill over on a post monochromator takes occurs.

You cannot make these deduction from 1/d plots.

Bob's "Law of Unintended Consequences" cannot be ignored. Are we to teach
crystalographers to ignore data collection - big mistake.

Simon also mentioned Fourier transform; FFTs' work in equal data steps so be
aware of data conversion. My guess is that most conversion programs do the
wrong thing.

alan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Simon Billinge
Sent: Thursday, 22 February 2007 2:52 AM
To: rietveld_l@ill.fr
Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction In Q-Space

roughly speaking, historically, Q=2pi/d is used by physicists and
S=1/d used by crystallographers and these communities define their
reciprocal lattices and Fourier transforms accordingly.  With the 2pi
in there, Q is the momentum transfer.  Without it in there the Laue
Equations are much cleaner.

Physicists are good at working in reduced units, like setting c=1.  We
can resolve the problem by setting 2pi=1!

S

On 2/21/07, Ray Osborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2007/02/21 9:06, "Jonathan Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > 2pi/d just needs a better name than Q?
>
> I guess, to some extent, this debate depends on whether you are only
> interested in talking to other powder diffraction specialists.  As a
> non-specialist, I would suggest that Q is a more widely used variable -
> certainly in the inelastic scattering community, but also I believe in the
> liquids and amorphous community, who might be interested in studying
> crystallization processes, for example.
>
> If I want to check the elastic scattering contained within my inelastic
> spectrum, it is certainly an inconvenience having to convert from
two-theta,
> even assuming I know the wavelength.  I certainly hope you don't settle on
> 10^4/d^2.
>
> Regards,
> Ray
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