Dear Alexander
On 19/10/2017 12:10, Alexander Isavnin wrote:
Dear Nigel!
Thank you for the answers (in both capacities).
Because we are in "RIPE Accountability" thread i do not think, that such
answers are sufficient.
Yes, it's very unusual combination of Dutch nonprofit, community, some
international relations, shared resources etc.
I feel you feel skeptical about Accountability Task Force, but unfortunately we need to
write down and state openly some things, which are considered "well known" to
Internet pioneers.
No, I'm not really sceptical about the TF and you are absolutely right,
those of us who've been around a long time sometimes need to take a step
back and examine the way we've "always done things" just to make sure
we're still doing it right.
On 2017-10-19 12:17:43 CET, Nigel Titley wrote:
Did i get right, that "RIPE NCC is secretariat for community" is a fairy tale,
told to RIPE Meetings newcomers?
No, RIPE NCC is a membership association which carries out Network
coordination activities on behalf of its membership and generally
governed by policies formulated by the RIPE community.
"No it's not fairy tale" or "No, it's not being told"? :)
https://ripe74.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/24-Newcomers-Intro_Axel_RIPE74.pdf
Slide #3
No, it's not a fairy tale. Just slice the "No," off the front of the
sentence.
This is accountability question.
Our task force trying to find approach to such difficult questions.
And we hope for your help.
"RIPE Chair does what it does" is funny, but not acceptable (for broader
audience) answer.
I hope that particular round of arguments is dead... it was foolishness
(mostly on my part).
Hope for very constructive dialog after Accountability TF presentation.
Indeed. Looking forward to it.
Alexander
P. S. Btw, about ludicrous example. You (NCC) already signed MoU with Russian
Telco Ministry not asking anyone. With Russian citizen hat on, i think any MoU
with Columbian drug cartel will make lesser damage.
That particular MOU was intended to ease the provision of a near real
time feed of the RIPE database to the Russian Telco ministry (at their
request). And as far as I know, the Russian Telco Ministry isn't an
illegal organisation.
All the best
Nigel
